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Jeremy Crowhurst wrote:

conace21 wrote:Brady had one head coach and one owner his entire career.
Manning had five head coaches in his career and went to the Super Bowl with four of them.
The fact that Tom Moore was retained only reinforces the fact that Manning has significantly more power in the organization.
Manning may have been a system QB, but it was Manning's system.

Yes. Because that's how it works in the NFL. The rookie QB comes in, and tells the guy who's been a coach in the NFL for 21 years, who has two rings from his days coaching with the Steelers, "Hey, Coach. I know you've been an offensive co-ordinator since 1983, but I'm going to tell you how we're going to play offense."

I think you should go back to the argument where you take two Hall of Fame QBs, reduce their 17+ years of play each to one line, one statistic that you yourself acknowledge has other explanations. That at least makes some sense.

Oh, and John Kitna - Lions went from 7 wins to 0 wins after he got injured. Guess he's better than Brady too. Houston Texans... from 9 wins to 4 wins after they moved on from Brock Osweiler. Bet that's a decision they'd do over!

conace21 wrote:

Jeremy Crowhurst wrote:

conace21 wrote:Brady had one head coach and one owner his entire career.
Manning had five head coaches in his career and went to the Super Bowl with four of them.
The fact that Tom Moore was retained only reinforces the fact that Manning has significantly more power in the organization.
Manning may have been a system QB, but it was Manning's system.

Yes. Because that's how it works in the NFL. The rookie QB comes in, and tells the guy who's been a coach in the NFL for 21 years, who has two rings from his days coaching with the Steelers, "Hey, Coach. I know you've been an offensive co-ordinator since 1983, but I'm going to tell you how we're going to play offense."

I think you should go back to the argument where you take two Hall of Fame QBs, reduce their 17+ years of play each to one line, one statistic that you yourself acknowledge has other explanations. That at least makes some sense.

Oh, and John Kitna - Lions went from 7 wins to 0 wins after he got injured. Guess he's better than Brady too. Houston Texans... from 9 wins to 4 wins after they moved on from Brock Osweiler. Bet that's a decision they'd do over!

I assume that was directed at me. If that is the case, I'm not sure why you're going on about changes in wins year over year. I never mentioned anything about wins and losses. I simply said that an advantage for Manning is he had much more control over the offense, and team, than Brady did. Hardly an outrageous claim. I never suggested that Manning took over the offense his rookie year. He gradually gained more control as he gained experience. I believe that for a number of years, Peyton was the only QB in the league to consistently call his own plays. Moore would radio him the formation and if the play were to be a run or pass, and Peyton would call the play at the line.