Professional Football Researchers Association Forum

Not much response today on the three senior finalists. Sharpe, Baughan and yes, Tyrer, advance ahead of other finalist candidates like K Anderson, Wistert, Hayes, Kuechenberg, Morgan and Lewis.

Jim Tyrer and Stanley Morgan were the most surprising picks, and Wistert seems to be gaining momentum in the queue.

Will the voters, who damn sure know what CTE is and how it can affect athletes feel enough sympathy and voter responsibility to finally vote him into the HOF? His sitution could still become a PR disaster for the HOF but if they follow their own statuates, he deserves to be in, regardless of events after his playing career.

The Blue Ribbon Panel felt so and decided to test the waters on whether he can get the necessary votes but did they make a mistake on perhaps denying a safer, accoladed player from election? Was his choice designed to help a qualified head coach or contributor gain necessary votes? I admire the pick come hell or high water but also feel that it could deny the seniors a chance at three elected candidates for the second year in a row.

id rather them get tyrer in this year so they dont have to consider him year after year blocking other deserving o linemen such as Kuechenberg Jacoby Kunz Wistert Kenn and Hilgenberg

Brian wolf wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 11:25 pm
Will the voters, who damn sure know what CTE is and how it can affect athletes feel enough sympathy and voter responsibility to finally vote him into the HOF? His sitution could still become a PR disaster for the HOF but if they follow their own statuates, he deserves to be in, regardless of events after his playing career.

It's tricky on Tyrer going forward, Frank Cooney has written publically that "Sources tell me four people — I assume selectors — already declared that they cannot vote for Tyrer."

I don't know what those objections are specifically. The discussion on CTE is not documented, for one there was no specific diagnosis for it at the time. So, we can assume it was CTE, and the side effects of it. But people know about brain injury -- "punch drunk" is what boxers were called.

The question that will be written about before Jan might be if CTE, even if it is was that, does not mean people can murder. The thing that is the mitigating factor is he killed himself, too. But the fast is no one knows why. His doctor speculates things ... but really only says he knew something was wrong.

If voters want to go with someone else rather than Tyrer they will have an out. His qualifications are right at the top of the 5, but with a couple to be left out ...think it will be hard.

So Seau gets voted in because he didnt take someone out as well? How do we know he wouldnt have killed someone beside himself, had he or she been there? Not trying to sound morbid but he and Tyrer's playing careers should be celebrated ... not their personal lives. Seau's was celebrated, why not Tyrer's?

Brian wolf wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 5:26 pm So Seau gets voted in because he didnt take someone out as well? How do we know he wouldnt have killed someone beside himself, had he or she been there? Not trying to sound morbid but he and Tyrer's playing careers should be celebrated ... not their personal lives. Seau's was celebrated, why not Tyrer's?

Well, I cannot speak for the Hall's full board of selectors will do for sure but I think they do distinguish between murder and suicide. As far as what Seau would have done, I don't have any way to know, can only go by what happened and Seau didn't murder anyone.

What will the voters do? I don't know, but I think Sharpe and Baughan have a better chance simply because no one has come out against them that we know of. Sometimes we may think the voters think how we think and that is not always the case.

I agree John, I feel Sharpe, Holmgren and Baughan will make it but all three seniors would be great ...

Brian wolf wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 9:45 pm I agree John, I feel Sharpe, Holmgren and Baughan will make it but all three seniors would be great ...

Yeah, the new rules make it hard ... that's for sure. We'll see, maybe there will be a surprise.

I'm curious about the particular circumstances surrounding this incident. Was Tyrer known to have been violent toward his wife or at least angry at each other in the months leading up to the murder? Was there any infidelity involved on either side that could have instigated a jealous outrage? Or did all signs indicate they were still fully committed to each other and in a happy relationship to the bitter end?

If the latter, I can see a scenario where this wasn't entirely senseless. Tyrer knew his brain was scrambled and was desperate to get rid of it, but he couldn't bear to be apart from her or watch her live on in grief without him. Therefore, the only option in his mind was to take her with him, and gamble on her not hating him forever over it. Obviously I'm not in a position to know what murder-suicide perpetrators are thinking, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is often how they convince themselves to go through with it. I'm just gonna leave that out there and back away quietly now...

Tyrer should not be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The available evidence is there was not trouble between Tyrer and his wife. If he wanted to end it all, he could have just shot himself and left her to take care of the family.

Whats your take on Ray Lewis, SixtiesFan? Do you feel he should have been elected to the HOF? I felt--and still feel--he was an accomplice to murder but got full legal representation and private investigators from the Ravens. His buddies got away with it in self defense but do we really know what happened that night? Did Lewis watch his friends stab two men, though his own limo driver told police--recanted on the witness stand--that he was involved in the melee, while later dumping bloody clothes?

I know the Tyrer situation is a tragedy. I just feel that the HOF should allow his induction based on their own bylaws and voting rules. Voters can easily deny him and probably will for the sake of future tourist, public relations, but they never had a problem with Lewis--or keeping OJ Simpson--and it shouldnt be a problem with Tyrer either, but we wont know until they elect him.