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Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:55 pm**

The coaching list of 12 is out, and there are two surprises and one note:

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/202 ... s-of-2025/

Surprise #1: three assistant coaches. There are zero coaches in Canton whose resume is defined by what they did as assistants.
Surprise #2: no Bill Belichick. Clearly the SBRC thinks he'll be back next year.
Surprise #3: no offense to him, but I'm shocked to see Jeff Fisher here.

And the note: Unlike Art Powell, Buddy Parker is not back in 2025.

The list, with the descriptions from the Hall:

* BILL ARNSPARGER: Longtime defensive coordinator. Won two Super Bowl titles with Miami Dolphins and appeared in two other Super Bowls (Miami and San Diego). Also head coach of New York Giants.
* TOM COUGHLIN: Spent 20 years as an NFL head coach with Jacksonville Jaguars (1995-2002) and New York Giants (2004-2015), totaling 170 wins and leading the Giants to two Super Bowl titles.
* JEFF FISHER: NFL head coach for 22 seasons with Houston Oilers, Tennessee Titans and St. Louis/Los Angeles Rams.
* ALEX GIBBS: Assistant head coach and/or offensive line coach for 27 NFL seasons with seven different Clubs.
* MIKE HOLMGREN: Head coach of the Green Bay Packers from 1992-98 and the Seattle Seahawks from 1999-2008. Won a Super Bowl and appeared in another as a head coach.
* CHUCK KNOX: NFL Coach of the Year in 1973, 1980 and 1984. He went 186-147-1 during 22 regular seasons as an NFL head coach for the Rams, Bills and Seahawks.
* RICHIE PETITBON: Promoted to Washington’s defensive coordinator in 1981. Joe Gibbs ran the offense and Petitbon the defense on a team that would win three Super Bowls over the next 11 seasons.
* DAN REEVES: Head coach of the Denver Broncos from 1981-1992, New York Giants from 1993-96 and Atlanta Falcons from 1997-2003.
* MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER: Head coach of the Cleveland Browns from 1984-88, Kansas City Chiefs from 1989-1998, Washington Redskins in 2001 and San Diego Chargers from 2002-06.
* GEORGE SEIFERT: Two-time Super Bowl champion head coach with the San Francisco 49ers. Coached 11 years with 49ers and Carolina Panthers.
* MIKE SHANAHAN: Head coach of the Los Angeles Raiders from 1988-89, Denver Broncos from 1995-2008 and Washington Redskins from 2010-13. Won two Super Bowls.
* CLARK SHAUGHNESSY: Head coach of the Los Angeles Rams from 1948-49 and assistant coach for the Washington Redskins from 1944-47 and Chicago Bears from 1951-1962.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:01 pm**

Never imagined I'd see coordinators on a semifinal list and one of them not be Dick LeBeau. Monte Kiffin should be here too.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:04 pm**

JameisBrownston wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:01 pm Never imagined I'd see coordinators on a semifinal list and one of them not be Dick LeBeau. Monte Kiffin should be here too.

Dick LeBeau is already in the Hall, and they do not do double inductions.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:04 pm**

readjack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:55 pm The coaching list of 12 is out, and there are two surprises and one note:

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/202 ... s-of-2025/

Surprise #1: three assistant coaches. There are zero coaches in Canton whose resume is defined by what they did as assistants.
Surprise #2: no Bill Belichick. Clearly the SBRC thinks he'll be back next year.
Surprise #3: no offense to him, but I'm shocked to see Jeff Fisher here.

And the note: Unlike Art Powell, Buddy Parker is not back in 2025.

Actually, one other surprise: no Pete Carroll!

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:29 pm**

readjack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:04 pm
JameisBrownston wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:01 pm Never imagined I'd see coordinators on a semifinal list and one of them not be Dick LeBeau. Monte Kiffin should be here too.
Dick LeBeau is already in the Hall, and they do not do double inductions.

You can't be inducted as a player and a coach separately?! News to me. Is that something specific to the PFHOF, or do other HOFs do the same thing?

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:36 pm**

JameisBrownston wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:29 pm
You can't be inducted as a player and a coach separately?! News to me. Is that something specific to the PFHOF, or do other HOFs do the same thing?

I don't know about baseball and hockey, but that's not the case in basketball. Jerry West was just inducted a second time as an individual (player, class of 1980; contributor, class of 2024) and the third time overall (1960 U.S. men's Olympic team, class of 2010). Plenty of other examples of people going in twice as individuals, usually as player and then as coach.

PFHOF doesn't do that. Once you're in, you're in. John Madden is in as a coach, so he won't be in as a broadcaster. Ozzie Newsome is in as a player, so he won't be in as a GM. etc.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:37 pm**

readjack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:55 pm The coaching list of 12 is out, and there are two surprises and one note:

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/202 ... s-of-2025/

Surprise #1: three assistant coaches. There are zero coaches in Canton whose resume is defined by what they did as assistants.
Surprise #2: no Bill Belichick. Clearly the SBRC thinks he'll be back next year.
Surprise #3: no offense to him, but I'm shocked to see Jeff Fisher here.

And the note: Unlike Art Powell, Buddy Parker is not back in 2025.

The list, with the descriptions from the Hall:

* BILL ARNSPARGER: Longtime defensive coordinator. Won two Super Bowl titles with Miami Dolphins and appeared in two other Super Bowls (Miami and San Diego). Also head coach of New York Giants.
* TOM COUGHLIN: Spent 20 years as an NFL head coach with Jacksonville Jaguars (1995-2002) and New York Giants (2004-2015), totaling 170 wins and leading the Giants to two Super Bowl titles.
* JEFF FISHER: NFL head coach for 22 seasons with Houston Oilers, Tennessee Titans and St. Louis/Los Angeles Rams.
* ALEX GIBBS: Assistant head coach and/or offensive line coach for 27 NFL seasons with seven different Clubs.
* MIKE HOLMGREN: Head coach of the Green Bay Packers from 1992-98 and the Seattle Seahawks from 1999-2008. Won a Super Bowl and appeared in another as a head coach.
* CHUCK KNOX: NFL Coach of the Year in 1973, 1980 and 1984. He went 186-147-1 during 22 regular seasons as an NFL head coach for the Rams, Bills and Seahawks.
* RICHIE PETITBON: Promoted to Washington’s defensive coordinator in 1981. Joe Gibbs ran the offense and Petitbon the defense on a team that would win three Super Bowls over the next 11 seasons.
* DAN REEVES: Head coach of the Denver Broncos from 1981-1992, New York Giants from 1993-96 and Atlanta Falcons from 1997-2003.
* MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER: Head coach of the Cleveland Browns from 1984-88, Kansas City Chiefs from 1989-1998, Washington Redskins in 2001 and San Diego Chargers from 2002-06.
* GEORGE SEIFERT: Two-time Super Bowl champion head coach with the San Francisco 49ers. Coached 11 years with 49ers and Carolina Panthers.
* MIKE SHANAHAN: Head coach of the Los Angeles Raiders from 1988-89, Denver Broncos from 1995-2008 and Washington Redskins from 2010-13. Won two Super Bowls.
* CLARK SHAUGHNESSY: Head coach of the Los Angeles Rams from 1948-49 and assistant coach for the Washington Redskins from 1944-47 and Chicago Bears from 1951-1962.

I had a feeling this would happen with belichick turned out I was right

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:42 pm**

readjack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:04 pm
readjack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:55 pm The coaching list of 12 is out, and there are two surprises and one note:

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/202 ... s-of-2025/

Surprise #1: three assistant coaches. There are zero coaches in Canton whose resume is defined by what they did as assistants.
Surprise #2: no Bill Belichick. Clearly the SBRC thinks he'll be back next year.
Surprise #3: no offense to him, but I'm shocked to see Jeff Fisher here.

And the note: Unlike Art Powell, Buddy Parker is not back in 2025.

Actually, one other surprise: no Pete Carroll!

Belichick and Carroll are not eligible, which is why they are not in the list. Both become eligible next year.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:46 pm**

Ken Crippen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:42 pm
Belichick and Carroll are not eligible, which is why they are not in the list. Both become eligible next year.

Oh. So they coached in 2023, which counts as the class of 2024 in a sense. They are not coaching in 2024, which counts as the class of 2025. That's their one-year wait, and then they are eligible in 2026. That it?

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:47 pm**

Ken Crippen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:42 pm
readjack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:04 pm
readjack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:55 pm The coaching list of 12 is out, and there are two surprises and one note:

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/202 ... s-of-2025/

Surprise #1: three assistant coaches. There are zero coaches in Canton whose resume is defined by what they did as assistants.
Surprise #2: no Bill Belichick. Clearly the SBRC thinks he'll be back next year.
Surprise #3: no offense to him, but I'm shocked to see Jeff Fisher here.

And the note: Unlike Art Powell, Buddy Parker is not back in 2025.

Actually, one other surprise: no Pete Carroll!
Belichick and Carroll are not eligible, which is why they are not in the list. Both become eligible next year.

Appreciate the feedback Ken I knew 100% for certain that was the fact

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