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Looking for 4-3 LBers with 10 or more sacks, I checked out the ALL Pros from 1970-1989. Seemed like a good place to start. I only found one
1985 Chicago, Otis Wilson
1984 Washington, Monte Coleman (from memory)
1967 SF Wilcox shows 9.5 but 1.5 sacks are missing from the 1967 SF totals if 48 is the correct number. maybe he gets another half sack? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... o/1967.htm

Any others?

Sonny9 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:28 pm Looking for 4-3 LBers with 10 or more sacks, I checked out the ALL Pros from 1970-1989. Seemed like a good place to start. I only found one
1985 Chicago, Otis Wilson
1984 Washington, Monte Coleman (from memory)
1967 SF Wilcox shows 9.5 but 1.5 sacks are missing from the 1967 SF totals if 48 is the correct number. maybe he gets another half sack? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... o/1967.htm

Any others?

Matt Hazeltine--1964 is one

but most others fit in hybrid category ...


1999 Kevin Greene, 12 and in 1992 ... but both hybrid seasons. But also played some ILber in pass defense packages on occasion in 1992
Peter Boulware, several times, but misleading. 4-3 base LBer, LDE in nickel. Rob Burnett moved to DT in their nickel
Ken Harvey was in 4-3 with Washington. But like Greene and Boulware, a DE/edge on pass downs.
2001, Jamir Miller --- again like all these guys essentially a DE in nickel which back then was, maybe 20-25% of time ... maybe as much as 33%
I'd guess.
Derrick Thomas --- another one in 1994, Chiefs were a base 4-3 team but Thomas always a DE rusher in nickel--
another the same is Brian Orakpo as a rookie
Rosevelt Colvin--is another one, OLber in 4-3, DE in nickel

Julian Peterson -- actually more of a blitzer than edge rusher in nickle, 4-3 base... but of course, would play outside as well
Anthony Dickerson was a nickel LBer but not really an exclusive edge, he'd bliz and cover ... you can see where he lined up on films ... not just one place ... really, bud did often come from outside, but he was simply a nickelLBer kind of like Monte Coleman

I think if going by a "LBer" all the time when they played -- Coleman and Dickerson and maybe Peterson are close to what you are asking ... but Hazeltine is the only what I'd say "pure 4-3 OLber" to do it ...

How about a few of the following:
- Rufus Porter a couple times in the late 80's and early 90's
- Bill Forester had a big year and blitzed A LOT in 1959, he had 12
- Bill George in 1961, but if you watch the film he's often rushing from the line with his fist in the dirt. Shaunnessey ran some really exotic stuff that year and often it was a 5-man line with George as the added rusher. As with John's examples a really special circumstance.

NWebster wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:23 pm - Bill George in 1961, but if you watch the film he's often rushing from the line with his fist in the dirt. Shaunnessey ran some really exotic stuff that year and often it was a 5-man line with George as the added rusher. As with John's examples a really special circumstance.

If we are adding in MLBs or ILBers Fredd Young ... he'd play standup RDE in passing downs. Charlie Clemons who would play "buck" -- an outside position, most of the time in nickel. Chad Brown, ILBer then RDE ... he liked to play with hand down.

RUfis Porter was a nickel end for his first 10-sack season, but yes, I missed him, he was a RLB in base and RDE in nickel for Seattle and then barely missed in 1992 --- would have been a 2-timer.

Speaking of near misses--Dick Daugherty of the Rams, 1957 or 1958? But has games missing.

NWebster wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:23 pm How about a few of the following:
- Rufus Porter a couple times in the late 80's and early 90's
- Bill Forester had a big year and blitzed A LOT in 1959, he had 12
- Bill George in 1961, but if you watch the film he's often rushing from the line with his fist in the dirt. Shaunnessey ran some really exotic stuff that year and often it was a 5-man line with George as the added rusher. As with John's examples a really special circumstance.

Figured some from the late 50's early 60's might make an appearance but didn't have anything to go by before 1960 using Pro Football ref
'57 & '58 Bears had some sacks but I have no idea who registered them

Sonny9 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:58 pm

NWebster wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:23 pm How about a few of the following:
- Rufus Porter a couple times in the late 80's and early 90's
- Bill Forester had a big year and blitzed A LOT in 1959, he had 12
- Bill George in 1961, but if you watch the film he's often rushing from the line with his fist in the dirt. Shaunnessey ran some really exotic stuff that year and often it was a 5-man line with George as the added rusher. As with John's examples a really special circumstance.

Figured some from the late 50's early 60's might make an appearance but didn't have anything to go by before 1960 using Pro Football ref
'57 & '58 Bears had some sacks but I have no idea who registered them

Those were BIG Doug Atkins years and then a healthy mix 5-9 / per of others. Basically Atkins posting a lot and 4-5 guys with 5-9. Still some missing that far back but assuming one of the 5-9 guys didn't get every single missing sack.

NWebster wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:11 pm

Sonny9 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:58 pm Figured some from the late 50's early 60's might make an appearance but didn't have anything to go by before 1960 using Pro Football ref
'57 & '58 Bears had some sacks but I have no idea who registered them

Those were BIG Doug Atkins years and then a healthy mix 5-9 / per of others. Basically Atkins posting a lot and 4-5 guys with 5-9. Still some missing that far back but assuming one of the 5-9 guys didn't get every single missing sack.

"Don't get Atkins mad"