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Michael Strahan- Did he only make the HOF because of his storybook ending?
Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 11:04 pm
by CSKreager
IMHO, He was the Joe Namath of defensive players- only made the HOF because he played in NY, had one gaudy outlier of a season (Namath's 4000 yard season, Strahan's sack record) and had an all time SB upset.
If they lose to DAL/GB or even that SB and he retires without a ring.... are we sure he's in Canton?
I think he's one of the least deserving HOF'ers ever. Outside of 2001 and the 2007 playoffs...... the dude didn't do it for me.
In regards to SB 42, Junior Seau deserved that ring a hell of a lot more than Strahan did
Re: Michael Strahan- Did he only make the HOF because of his storybook ending?
Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 11:42 pm
by Sonny9
Four 1st team and two 2nd team All Pros. 2001 defensive player of the year. Hall of Fame all 2000s team. I think that's what did it.
Re: Michael Strahan- Did he only make the HOF because of his storybook ending?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 7:47 am
by RichardBak
Certainly playing in NYC doesn't hurt an athlete's chances for making the HOF in any sport. Being personable and media savvy can't hurt either. But all this increases a guy's chances only a tiny bit, though that sometimes can be enough to make the difference for someone who's straddling the fence. Personally, I think Strahan deserves his bust in Canton, but all HOF picks are wholly subjective and selections often seem to be as much about marketing campaigns and connections as anything.
Re: Michael Strahan- Did he only make the HOF because of his storybook ending?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 11:05 am
by GameBeforeTheMoney
Strahan, IMHO, looked like a HOF caliber player throughout his career. While I think a few inductees have been bolstered by being in the media, I think Strahan would have likely made the HOF even if he had done something else after football.
Re: Michael Strahan- Did he only make the HOF because of his storybook ending?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 1:17 pm
by Brian wolf
Being in NY hasn't helped other deserving players for the HOF.
Cuff, Conerly, Shofner, Patton, Katcavage, Barnes and T Barber, are still waiting for their chance. Strahan was deserving.
RIP Aaron Thomas ...
An underrated, career receiver for the Giants, including others like Kyle Rote, Amani Toomer, Hakeem Nicks and Bob Tucker
Re: Michael Strahan- Did he only make the HOF because of his storybook ending?
Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 2:51 am
by SeahawkFever
CSKreager wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 11:04 pm
IMHO, He was the Joe Namath of defensive players- only made the HOF because he played in NY, had one gaudy outlier of a season (Namath's 4000 yard season, Strahan's sack record) and had an all time SB upset.
If they lose to DAL/GB or even that SB and he retires without a ring.... are we sure he's in Canton?
I think he's one of the least deserving HOF'ers ever. Outside of 2001 and the 2007 playoffs...... the dude didn't do it for me.
In regards to SB 42, Junior Seau deserved that ring a hell of a lot more than Strahan did
Is 18.5 sacks not a big enough second best season in your opinion? Strahan did that in 2003 and led the league that year in that stat. Strahan also is credited with the most tackles for a loss in 2001, 2003, and 2005 according to pro football reference.
Re: Michael Strahan- Did he only make the HOF because of his storybook ending?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 10:32 pm
by JohnTurney
SeahawkFever wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 2:51 am
Strahan also is credited with the most tackles for a loss in 2001, 2003, and 2005 according to pro football reference.
TFLs are dubious in a lot of ways because of how they keep them. They only count solo tackles, lead tackles -- that's one. Two, if you force a fumble you don't get credit for a TFL on a pass or run.
Say Strahan forced a fumble on a sack, a guard recovered it an Osi touched the guy down 7 yards behind LOS.
Strahan gets the sack, FF but the TFL goes to Osi. They do it to keep the stat clean in terms of what they do, but what does it measure.
Third, they also add in sacks and run stops for a loss.
Stats LLS, not Stats perform would count tackles for loss like sacks. Solo tackle for loss = 1 stuff. Force a RB to fumble on first hit - 1 stuff.
Two guys make a tackle for a loss they get 1/2 each.
Not asking them to change just that people understand that there are some caveats when looking at it.
The problem with Stats is they don't count pass plays in their stuffs. Nick fixed all that --- has run stuffs and pass stuffs counted the way sacks are.
Then you can add sacks plus stuffs and get a number more representative number of "TFLs"
Anyway, sorry for the sidebar
Re: Michael Strahan- Did he only make the HOF because of his storybook ending?
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 3:21 am
by SeahawkFever
JohnTurney wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 10:32 pm
SeahawkFever wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 2:51 am
Strahan also is credited with the most tackles for a loss in 2001, 2003, and 2005 according to pro football reference.
TFLs are dubious in a lot of ways because of how they keep them. They only count solo tackles, lead tackles -- that's one. Two, if you force a fumble you don't get credit for a TFL on a pass or run.
Say Strahan forced a fumble on a sack, a guard recovered it an Osi touched the guy down 7 yards behind LOS.
Strahan gets the sack, FF but the TFL goes to Osi. They do it to keep the stat clean in terms of what they do, but what does it measure.
Third, they also add in sacks and run stops for a loss.
Stats LLS, not Stats perform would count tackles for loss like sacks. Solo tackle for loss = 1 stuff. Force a RB to fumble on first hit - 1 stuff.
Two guys make a tackle for a loss they get 1/2 each.
Not asking them to change just that people understand that there are some caveats when looking at it.
The problem with Stats is they don't count pass plays in their stuffs. Nick fixed all that --- has run stuffs and pass stuffs counted the way sacks are.
Then you can add sacks plus stuffs and get a number more representative number of "TFLs"
Anyway, sorry for the sidebar
No need to apologize. Out of curiosity though: How was Strahan at run defense? And is 18.5 sacks not good enough of a second best season in your opinion?
Re: Michael Strahan- Did he only make the HOF because of his storybook ending?
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:04 pm
by CSKreager
SeahawkFever wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 2:51 am
CSKreager wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 11:04 pm
IMHO, He was the Joe Namath of defensive players- only made the HOF because he played in NY, had one gaudy outlier of a season (Namath's 4000 yard season, Strahan's sack record) and had an all time SB upset.
If they lose to DAL/GB or even that SB and he retires without a ring.... are we sure he's in Canton?
I think he's one of the least deserving HOF'ers ever. Outside of 2001 and the 2007 playoffs...... the dude didn't do it for me.
In regards to SB 42, Junior Seau deserved that ring a hell of a lot more than Strahan did
Is 18.5 sacks not a big enough second best season in your opinion? Strahan did that in 2003 and led the league that year in that stat. Strahan also is credited with the most tackles for a loss in 2001, 2003, and 2005 according to pro football reference.
They were 4-12 in 2003. Lot of those sacks were meaningless
Re: Michael Strahan- Did he only make the HOF because of his storybook ending?
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:23 pm
by rhickok1109
CSKreager wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:04 pm
SeahawkFever wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 2:51 am
CSKreager wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 11:04 pm
IMHO, He was the Joe Namath of defensive players- only made the HOF because he played in NY, had one gaudy outlier of a season (Namath's 4000 yard season, Strahan's sack record) and had an all time SB upset.
If they lose to DAL/GB or even that SB and he retires without a ring.... are we sure he's in Canton?
I think he's one of the least deserving HOF'ers ever. Outside of 2001 and the 2007 playoffs...... the dude didn't do it for me.
In regards to SB 42, Junior Seau deserved that ring a hell of a lot more than Strahan did
Is 18.5 sacks not a big enough second best season in your opinion? Strahan did that in 2003 and led the league that year in that stat. Strahan also is credited with the most tackles for a loss in 2001, 2003, and 2005 according to pro football reference.
They were 4-12 in 2003. Lot of those sacks were meaningless
So you would just write off any noteworthy accomplishment by a player on a losing team?