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Dan Daly
(Sorry, I’m just not a print-the-legend guy. When the legend becomes fact, I begin to worry about the fate of civilization.)

Though Brandt is getting pretty old...he'd made factual errors before, in 1990s had convo with him and he'd "misremeber"
stuff...on stuff only he knew--had to take his word for things but if he said this guy was a left end and that guys was a
weakside end--and he got it wrong, then you begin to question things

When I was working with Johnny Blood on his biography, I asked him about quite a few stories I'd read or heard. One of them was a story that he had once beat John Barrymore in a Shakespeare-quoting contest in a New York speakeasy. John told me it had never happened.

Duke Osborne told me he had witnessed the contest when John was playing for Pottsville.

Ernie Nevers and Ole Haugsrud told me, independently, that they had witnessed it when John was playing for the Duluth Eskimos.

Mike Michalske told me he had witnessed it when John was playing for the Packers.

rhickok1109 wrote:When I was working with Johnny Blood on his biography, I asked him about quite a few stories I'd read or heard. One of them was a story that he had once beat John Barrymore in a Shakespeare-quoting contest in a New York speakeasy. John told me it had never happened.

Duke Osborne told me he had witnessed the contest when John was playing for Pottsville.

Ernie Nevers and Ole Haugsrud told me, independently, that they had witnessed it when John was playing for the Duluth Eskimos.

Mike Michalske told me he had witnessed it when John was playing for the Packers.

Exactly. Had similar, but less significant things, told to me. That is a pretty big discrepancy - a wide variety of opinions.
I did a post about a cheap shot by Merlin Olsen and Jack Youngblood on Conrad Dobler.

All three of them put an anecdote in books the wrote. Details differed, three people, three stories, all similar.
With the film I could see what actually happened.

This happens a lot---players get an event right, wrong year. Or even get the even wrong . . .acutaly participants
have different perspectives and we fans do. We see if up high or read about it, they lived it...and they
can conflate a few details, or even have memories fail. They are not lying, they just didn't, for the most part,
keep detailed journals.

Since at least 40 years ago, I knew that the pick to draft Tony Dorsett was obtained from the Seahawks for four draft picks, and without looking up I know that offensive linemen Steve August and Tom Lynch were the top two picks Seattle drafted with the picks obtained from Dallas. Also, Longley was originally drafted by the Bengals in 1974. Did the Cowboys traded with the Bengals, or he was waived by Cincinnati?

Gary Najman wrote:Since at least 40 years ago, I knew that the pick to draft Tony Dorsett was obtained from the Seahawks for four draft picks, and without looking up I know that offensive linemen Steve August and Tom Lynch were the top two picks Seattle drafted with the picks obtained from Dallas. Also, Longley was originally drafted by the Bengals in 1974. Did the Cowboys traded with the Bengals, or he was waived by Cincinnati?

Cowboys traded a 5th round pick for Longley.

Longley traded with a Dallas 1st for a Chargers 1st and a Chargers 2nd.

Dallas gave both those (August and Terry Beeson) plus two more seconds (Lynch was one of them)
and the last 2nd rounder went back to Dallas for Duke Ferguson.

They got Duke Ferguson on a 3rd round pick they got from 49ers for Bob Hayes.

So, Dallas got Dorsett
Seattle got August, Beeson, Lynch and Ferguson.

Dallas sent a 5th to the Bengals for Longley.
Longley got the Cowboys Beeson, plus 10 spots in 1st round and the higher
1st rounder went to Seattle for August.


Dallas sent Hayes to SF for Ferguson, in effect, and Ferguson
got Dallas Glen Carano

So, Hayes for Carano---net-net.