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Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:09 pm**

In this case they have a point---Barber's 28 sacks at cornerback is new. Also, NFGSIS/PFR has him with 88 tackles for loss
and that's fine, they keep them differently, taking away ones that he forced a fumble on -- we have him at 93
either way no CB is close...and he still had 47 INTs...

So before him (or since) a CB who is outside in base and moves inside in sub has been able to amass that many
of the so-called splash plays. When he gets in HOF the revolutionized tag is probably a fitting one. Not sure
the "changed the game" is right, may be an overstatement, but he's a lot closer that a lot of the others
guys that have had "changed the game" next to their game but still . . .a bit much.

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Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:24 pm**

The guy I most remember for that from the corner position -- as far as tackles for loss -- is Charles Woodson with the Raiders. Then he did it a lot for the Packers. Not sure if he was still at corner when he won DPOY with GB, at some point they moved him to strong safety. His career started right about the same time as Barber so who knows.

Saw a lot of Woodson and not as much of Barber, so I'm not sure how they compare.

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:43 pm**

I always thought of Barber as one of the top defensive players. I view him as a borderline HOFer, along with Charles Tillman, but I'd probably put them both in the HOF. The push back on Barber has been that he was 'only' a Cover 2 CB who didn't have to cover WRs man-to-man....not sure how true that statement is, but, even so, who cares? Every player is a product of the system to some degree. I remember Barber making a lot of plays, both big and small. To me, that is the bottom line. I think Barber's Pro Bowl/All Pro honors kind of sell him short, too. He was a great player. Charles Tillman is kind of the same...short on honors, but a fantastic player. More of a 1-on-1 stopper than Barber, and also forced 44 fumbles which "revolutionized" the game (for better of for worse) in that defensive players just punch at the ball now.

Posted: **Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:18 pm**

Bryan wrote:I always thought of Barber as one of the top defensive players. I view him as a borderline HOFer, along with Charles Tillman, but I'd probably put them both in the HOF. The push back on Barber has been that he was 'only' a Cover 2 CB who didn't have to cover WRs man-to-man....not sure how true that statement is, but, even so, who cares? Every player is a product of the system to some degree. I remember Barber making a lot of plays, both big and small. To me, that is the bottom line. I think Barber's Pro Bowl/All Pro honors kind of sell him short, too. He was a great player. Charles Tillman is kind of the same...short on honors, but a fantastic player. More of a 1-on-1 stopper than Barber, and also forced 44 fumbles which "revolutionized" the game (for better of for worse) in that defensive players just punch at the ball now.

I always thought Antoine Winfield was the toughest CB tackler, though Jalen Ramsey could take him on in the last few years. Twice Winfield had 10 Stuffs and once had 8.5, going back to 1980 no other CB has multiple double-digit stuff seasons.

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