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Ness wrote:Steve Wisniewski . . . was 1st Team All-Pro twice, and 2nd Team All-Pro six times

JohnTurney wrote:

Ness wrote:Steve Wisniewski . . . was 1st Team All-Pro twice, and 2nd Team All-Pro six times

Agree with you, but IMO since the HOF uses more than the AP All-Pro teams
another fair tally is he was First-team All-pro 5 times with one being consenses

First-team All-Pro - 1990, 1991 (consensus), 1992, 1993, 1994
Second-team All-pro 1995, 1996, 2000
All-AFC - 1991-96, 2000
Pro Bowl - 1990-1995, 1997, 2000

In some ways similar to Michael dean perry, would make SN All-pro
team, one that had an element of players/coaches votes

Also know he's graded high by at least one scouting company
in enough years to be HOF in their eyes

cannot say "stonewalled" but overlooked. In the hurry to
get skill players in, IMO, there are plenty of blockers
being left out in cold

Ness wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 5:58 am Steve Wisniewski made eight Pro Bowls teams, was 1st Team All-Pro twice, and 2nd Team All-Pro six times in 13 years and missed only two games. Why can't he make a breakthrough???

Brian wolf wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:01 pm
Could Yanda jump ahead of Evans at guard in modern voting?

readjack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:00 pm

Ness wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 5:58 am Steve Wisniewski made eight Pro Bowls teams, was 1st Team All-Pro twice, and 2nd Team All-Pro six times in 13 years and missed only two games. Why can't he make a breakthrough???

Bringing this back up because now-former PFHOF Raiders voter Frank Cooney recently organized a Wisniewski round table with Shane Conlan, Rich Gannon, Kevin Gogan, Gary Plummer, Mark Schlereth + former NFL DC Ron Lynn + three people who sent notes: Jon Gruden, Howie Long and Matt Millen. Niners PR man Kirk Reynolds worked with Cooney to arrange the call.

https://halloffootball.substack.com/p/h ... on-wiz-f5a

One of the items they addressed was the notion that Wisniewski was a dirty player.

PLUMMER: Regarding his reputation as a dirty guy … I'm like, you know … he was just a different guy. He just had a real calm demeanor about him. Like he could get a little chippy if you got chippy with him. Otherwise, he would, like (Schlereth) said, just go about kicking people's ass and taking names, and that was kind of it.

LYNN: You know I heard some stuff Wiz was a dirty player. I never thought that at all. I watched a film on him and never felt that at all. I thought he was competitive. I thought he was going to work his ever-loving butt off. Best effort.

One other interesting note was from Schlereth, who said whenever he had to go against a top defensive tackle, he would study film of two guards to see how they played: Bruce Matthews and Steve Wisniewski.

SCHLERETH: I studied those two guys every time I had any tough matchup. That's the film I would get. And it may be two years earlier, when Wiz played against that particular guy. But that was the film that I considered and nobody else. Those were the two guys when I studied to prepare myself to play against the NFL’s elite-level tackles. It was always those 2 guys. I knew those guys had put in the preparation those guys had put in the work, and I knew that they had come up with a plan that that was going to help shut down that first move. My whole thought process as a player was, “If I can stop your go-to move, I’ll always be able t react to your secondary stuff. But you're not beating me with your go-to stuff.” And I knew that Wiz prepared that way. I knew that Matthew's prepared that way. I can't tell you how much Wiz film I watched over the course of my career preparing myself to play, but I guarantee you it was a ton because he was that good. He's that good a player.