2019 AP All-Pro Team

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https://apnews.com/eeca59cc33eb5eeb11f3d08e7b0328c1

Typical embarrassment.

-Christian McCaffrey is 1st-team at two positions.
-Derrick Henry is 2nd-team at the same two positions McCaffrey is 1st-team at.
-T.J. Watt, Marcus Peters and Tyrann Mathieu are all 1st-team AND 2nd-team defense.
-There's somehow no 2nd-team "DB" or Sherman would have been 2nd-team at CB and DB and Fitzpatrick would have joined the above group as a 1st and 2nd-team defensive player.
-One voter didn't vote for a PR
-Same past issues about DL and OLB.
-Same past issues (though going through voting totals haven't seen anyone screwed like in the past) about votes getting split between different positions (CB and DB, S and DB, Edge and LB, RB and Flex, WR and Flex, TE and Flex) for a player.
-Got 11 players on offense which is what you play with and how it should be. So positive there. Except one player is there twice so they only have 10 players lined up on their 1st-team offense.
-Got 14 players on 1st-team defense which you don't play with 14 players on defense, and an incredible 7 DB's are 1st-team all-pro. Hilariously the 2nd-team defense (because of the previously mentioned no 2nd-team "DB" spot) has 11 players.

Voting totals are in the link

[ChrisBabcock]

-Christian McCaffrey is 1st-team at two positions.
-Derrick Henry is 2nd-team at the same two positions McCaffrey is 1st-team at.

umwhat?

[JWL]

So McCaffrey has two first team all-pro nods in three seasons. He's batting .667!

[Reaser]

-Same past issues (though going through voting totals haven't seen anyone screwed like in the past) about votes getting split between different positions (CB and DB, S and DB, Edge and LB, RB and Flex, WR and Flex, TE and Flex) for a player.

Hopkins got 18 votes at WR. Julio Jones got 16 plus another 5 at "Flex", so could say he got 21 votes. Though, I assume the 5 'flex' votes were by people who voted for two other WR's so not the same as the past as when people got voted at multiple positions and got screwed by it.

Which usually happens on defense. Such as Watt got 22 "edge" votes and 11 "LB" votes so 33 combined if he was voted at one position (he was 1st-team anyway, and also 2nd-team which is dumb, obviously), but Shaq Barrett got 18 "edge" votes (good for 2nd-team 'edge') plus 2 "LB" votes for 20 combined which if all the votes came at LB he would be 1st-team LB, or if all Watt's votes came at LB, Barrett would be 1st-team "edge". Funny, since Barrett could get DPOY votes but he's 2nd-team.

So can probably say the tradition continues there, but not exactly the same as the past when players got screwed by split votes.

[JohnTurney]

The Flex was always a bad idea. So dumb. And they should designate what a player
is and force voters to follow. TJ Watt is edge, Khalil Mack was edge, Von Mille was edge
but they all got ALl-Pro slots at LB and votes and edge.

Every year there have been oddities, but since the flex and "edge" thing, 2016 maybe?

It's been a consistent every year proble,

[sluggermatt15]

So McCaffrey has two first team all-pro nods in three seasons. He's batting .667!

I was thinking the same thought. So, if he's AP at Flex and RB, does it count for 2 x 1st Team AP's? Ha ha. I imagine in reality it does not, because Pro Football Reference only lists it as one.

[Reaser]

The Flex was always a bad idea. So dumb. And they should designate what a player
is and force voters to follow. TJ Watt is edge, Khalil Mack was edge, Von Mille was edge
but they all got ALl-Pro slots at LB and votes and edge.

Every year there have been oddities, but since the flex and "edge" thing, 2016 maybe?

It's been a consistent every year proble,

It was an issue even before they changed to that nonsense. Mack was DE and OLB in 2015. DL were voted at both spots. Michael Turner one year got votes at RB and FB, etc. But yes, since 2016 it's continued to be a problem and probably stands out more.

It's not that hard. For a long time in these threads I've posted that they should just have a FB/Slot spot. QB, RB, FB/Slot, WR, WR, TE, LT, LG, C, RG, RT ... 11, and this year that's Juszczyk or Godwin. Could even vote for that first so if you go FB then Godwin could be one of the WR's. Regardless, not exactly difficult to come up with 11 spots on offense.

Defense has a few more things going on, but still not overly difficult to list 11 spots and -as the consensus has been in these threads for many years- as you said, designate (or flat out tell them since they're easily confused based on past voting even before flex/edge/etc) what pos. a player is.

Instead we have made-up spots being voted on, all the nonsense, etc. A mix of embarrassing and comical.

[JWL]

I converted the votes to English.

Here is the true Associated Press All-Pro 1st team with the 14 defensive positions as they like it-

QB- Lamar Jackson
RB- Christian McCaffrey, Derrick Henry
WR- Michael Thomas, Julio Jones
TE- George Kittle
LT- Ronnie Stanley
LG- Quenton Nelson
C- Jason Kelce
RG- Zack Martin
RT- Ryan Ramczyk

Edge Rusher- Chandler Jones, T.J. Watt
Interior Lineman- Aaron Donald, Cam Heyward
LB- Bobby Wagner, Demario Davis, Eric Kendricks
CB- Stephon Gilmore, Tre'Davious White
S- Jamal Adams, Minkah Fitzpatrick
DB- Richard Sherman, Tyrann Mathieu, Justin Simmons

PK- Justin Tucker
P- Brett Kern
KR- Cordarrelle Patterson
PR- Deonte Harris
ST- Matthew Slater

[JWL]

By not even tabulating their own votes correctly, DeAndre Hopkins was given a 1st team spot instead of Julio Jones, Derrick Henry was kept off the 1st team, and Marcus Peters and Marlon Humphrey were given 1st team spots instead of Richard Sherman and Justin Simmons.

[JohnTurney]

By not even tabulating their own votes correctly, DeAndre Hopkins was given a 1st team spot instead of Julio Jones, Derrick Henry was kept off the 1st team, and Marcus Peters and Marlon Humphrey were given 1st team spots instead of Richard Sherman and Justin Simmons.

interesting