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Hirsch still doesn't belong...

Not a TO fan but I'd have to be convinced he's not Top 10

Put Owens on, Hirsch off and they nailed it.

Inclusion of Doug Atkins, Gene Upshaw and Elroy Hirsch three of biggest flubs

The omission of Faulk, Dierdorf, Tomlinson, Owens biggest omissions

So, that a small number of misses given the nature of committees

Have to say they are doing a good job

JohnTurney wrote: Put Owens on, Hirsch off and they nailed it.

I don't know, John...
No desire to be argumentative (and I absolutely respect your very learned opinions) but are you considering off-field/teammate interaction in your rating?
Have you ever played with/worked with/known someone like T.O.?

I can understand your point of view that Hirsch doesn't belong...
But T.O. as a top-ten WR of all time and on the 100 year team... doesn't work for me.
I just don't see him as worthy of that honor.

JuggernautJ wrote: I don't know, John...
No desire to be argumentative (and I absolutely respect your very learned opinions) but are you considering off-field/teammate interaction in your rating?
Have you ever played with/worked with/known someone like T.O.?

I can understand your point of view that Hirsch doesn't belong...
But T.O. as a top-ten WR of all time and on the 100 year team... doesn't work for me.
I just don't see him as worthy of that honor.

I get it---but a while I I just gave up on the character team. Too many greats with bad character or questions---Marvin Harrison, Moss (and there is some bad stuff about him, not super bad but enough to make be question his character), TO's character, AB's charater.

Just a personal preference, I gave up judging them on that

I stick to my usual" Honors, Awards, Stats, Rings, testimonials, intangibles.

And by that, TO, to me, TO is top 10.

However, I respect your view, it's not that my view is only one. I could be wrong.

Yeah, I get it.
We all value different aspects of a player differently.
(I wouldn't have Hardy Brown on my team, either)

In all seriousness, Antonio Brown is better than TO. Why isn't he on the list? AB is at least a Top 10 WR of all-time.