Professional Football Researchers Association Forum

Looks like the list is out. I saw it on another board: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... s-revealed

COACHES (8 FINALISTS) - Coaches who last coached more than five seasons ago

Don Coryell - 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers

Bill Cowher - 1992-2006 Pittsburgh Steelers

Tom Flores - 1979-1987 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-94 Seattle Seahawks

Mike Holmgren - 1992-98 Green Bay Packers, 1999-2008 Seattle Seahawks

Jimmy Johnson - 1989-1993 Dallas Cowboys, 1996-99 Miami Dolphins

Buddy Parker - 1949 Chicago Cardinals, 1951-56 Detroit Lions, 1957-1964 Pittsburgh Steelers

Dan Reeves - 1981-1992 Denver Broncos, 1993-96 New York Giants, 1997-2003 Atlanta Falcons

Dick Vermeil - 1976-1982 Philadelphia Eagles, 1997-99 St. Louis Rams, 2001-05 Kansas City Chiefs


CONTRIBUTORS (10 FINALISTS) - An individual other than a player or coach

Bud Adams, Owner - 1960-2013 Houston Oilers/Tennessee Oilers/Titans

Ralph Hay, Owner - 1918-1922 Canton Bulldogs

Frank "Bucko" Kilroy, Scout/General Manager/Executive - 1960-61 Philadelphia Eagles, 1962-64 Washington

Redskins, 1965-1970 Dallas Cowboys, 1971-2006 New England Patriots

Art McNally, Official/Administrator - 1959-2015 National Football League

Art Modell, Owner - 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2011 Baltimore Ravens

Clint Murchison, Founder/Owner - 1960-1983 Dallas Cowboys

Steve Sabol, Administrator/President - 1964-2012 NFL Films

Seymour Siwoff, Owner/President - 1952-2019 Elias Sports Bureau

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner - 1989-2006 National Football League

George Young, Contributor/General Manager - 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League


SENIORS (20 FINALISTS) - A player who last played more than 25 seasons ago

Cliff Branch, WR - 1972-1985 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders

Harold Carmichael, WR - 1971-1983 Philadelphia Eagles, 1984 Dallas Cowboys

Jim Covert, T - 1983-1990 Chicago Bears

Roger Craig, RB - 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings

Bobby Dillon, S - 1952-59 Green Bay Packers

LaVern Dilweg, E - 1926 Milwaukee Badgers, 1927-1934 Green Bay Packers

Ox Emerson, G/LB/C - 1931-37 Portsmouth Spartans/Detroit Lions, 1938 Brooklyn Dodgers

Randy Gradishar, LB - 1974-1983 Denver Broncos

Cliff Harris, S - 1970-79 Dallas Cowboys

Winston Hill, T - 1963-1976 New York Jets, 1977 Los Angeles Rams

Cecil Isbell, TB/DB/HB - 1938-1942 Green Bay Packers

Alex Karras, DT - 1958-1962, 1964-1970 Detroit Lions

Verne Lewellen, HB - 1924-27, 1928-1932 Green Bay Packers, 1927 New York Yankees

Tommy Nobis, LB - 1966-1976 Atlanta Falcons

Drew Pearson, WR - 1973-1983 Dallas Cowboys

Donnie Shell, S - 1974-1987 Pittsburgh Steelers

Duke Slater, T - 1922 Milwaukee Badgers, 1922-25 Rock Island Independents, 1926-1931 Chicago Cardinals

Mac Speedie, E - 1946-1952 Cleveland Browns [AAFC/NFL]

Ed Sprinkle, DE/LB/E - 1944-1955 Chicago Bears

Al Wistert, OT/DT/G - 1943 Phil-Pitt, 1944-1951 Philadelphia Eagles

I would've gone Shocked or Harold Jackson over Harold Carmichael.

NWebster wrote:I would've gone Shocked or Harold Jackson over Harold Carmichael.

Is that Shofner your predictive text meant to say?

There are a lot of "our" recommendations in the player category (thanks for bolding those).
Is it possible the PFRA and its research/opinions are making an impression on the selectors?

JuggernautJ wrote:There are a lot of "our" recommendations in the player category (thanks for bolding those).
Is it possible the PFRA and its research/opinions are making an impression on the selectors?

Yeah, I definitely noticed that too. We've discussed this before, but Speedie is the one I only notice being a top snub here, but in fairness I don't pay as much attention to post-war.

I had read Neal Rozendahl's post a long time ago on pre-war snubs: http://nealrozendaal.com/2014/10/23/pre ... l-of-fame/ and he had it like this:

Should definitely be in: Duke Slater, LaVern Dilweg
Should probably be in: Verne Lewellen
Borderline: Swede Youngstrom, George Christensen/Ox Emerson

I did notice recently Chris Willis mentioning Lewellen in some recent posts at Pro Football Journal. He actually didn't make HOVG until around the 7th class.

Jimbo Covert is an oddity. Never got any play in normal or senior category.

Here, he leapfrogs Jacoby and Kenn and perhaps Kunz....

interesting. Not against him...like him a lot, but it's kind of a change.

Was he ever a Top 25 guy?

There's already grumbling in Cleveland about Modell being back on this list.

BD Sullivan wrote:There's already grumbling in Cleveland about Modell being back on this list.

and i dont blame them

boknows34 wrote:

NWebster wrote:I would've gone Shocked or Harold Jackson over Harold Carmichael.

Is that Shofner your predictive text meant to say?

Yup, ya got me.

This is how I rank the "super seniors---Pre WWII guys"
These are, IMO, the essential 5


Al Wistert-- an homage to Bob Carroll
Ox Emerson--numbers impressive for good team...
LaVern Dilweg
Verne Lewellen
Duke Slater



Cecil Isbel---I don't think it'd be fair for a 3rd Packer