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so far I've seen DT, DE, LB, RB, C, G, T, WR, TE, QB

Have no seen DB or speciaists

His #6 WR of all time??? Gee, could he be partial?

Just looked at the LB list. I think he just put the 45 best LBs names in a hat and pulled them out in a random order to determine his ranking. I need to go to bed now.

ChrisBabcock wrote:His #6 WR of all time??? Gee, could he be partial?

Agreed. Bob Hayes doesn't belong on this list at all if he can't find room for Billy Howton, Harold Jackson, Sterling Sharpe, Tommy McDonald, or Billy Wilson. And there's no way Cris Carter was better than all of Ray Berry, Lance Alworth, and Paul Warfield. Rod Smith doesn't belong, either.

Pretty weak lists in general, and often partisan.

-what in the Sam Hill is Ezekiel Elliott doing among the top 27 RBs of all time (not to mention Bo Jackson)? Floyd Little and John Henry Johnson ahead of Jim Taylor and Joe Perry? Where's Hugh McElhenny, Franco Harris, Frank Gifford, and Lenny Moore?

-Coy Bacon and Michael Bennett on the DE list? Too Tall Jones at no. 14 and Harvey Martin at 12? And Andy Robustelli is a seriously bad omission here.

-Steve Young is a major omission from the QB list, as arguably is Bart Starr. And there are darned few pre-60s QBs: no Luckman, Van Brocklin, Waterfield, Layne, or Tittle.

-where's Dan Dierdorf on the OT list? And why Jonathan Ogden and Jim Parker ahead of Anthony Munoz?

-what is Jim Tyrer doing on the guards list? And Tom Mack at no. 2?

-does Bill Willis count as a DT? And if so, what's he doing at no. 30 behind folks like La'Roi Glover, Brandon Williams, and Tim Krumrie, who probably don't belong at all? Why is Doug Atkins here? The Fridge not only on this list but at no. 13? Alan Page only at no. 11? And if we're scraping the bottom of the barrel, why not folks like Tom Sestak, Michael Dean Perry, and Houston Antwine? And Kevin Williams's omission is another problem.

-for TEs, why are Greg Olsen and Russ Francis on his list and folks like Pete Retzlaff, Jerry Smith, and Jimmy Graham not?

-for LBs, London Fletcher (arguably not even deserving) ahead of Chuck Bednarik? Hugh Green and James Harrison, never mind at no. 20 and 25? And if you've got 45 LBs, there should be room for folks like Maxie Baughan, Bill Forester, Larry Grantham, and Karl Mecklenburg.

Most any of us here could have done better.

I've never seen a running back list with Csonka, Riggins, and JH Johnson that high. And I don't recall Bo getting consideration on other lists, not saying I can't understand it, just saying it goes against the conventional concept of "all-time". Off the top of my head, Steve Van Buren's absence stands out. But where credibility is lost in my opinion is the inclusion of Ezekiel Elliot. In any given year, you could just look at the statistical leaders from the prior season and put [Insert Running Back here]'s name on the list by that logic. Is DeMarco Murray among the all time greats if it's 2015? If the list was made in 2010 where does Chris Johnson rank? Top 5?

Didn't see the centers list until now. The biggest goof-up by far is including Dan Dierdorf. The top 10 isn't half bad, though Kevin Mawae is too low at no. 14. And Mick Tingelhoff is a glaring omission.

Jason Witten might want to skip one of those vids. That said, he is a bit of a "compiler" and not exactly dynamic.

bachslunch wrote:

ChrisBabcock wrote:His #6 WR of all time??? Gee, could he be partial?

Agreed. Bob Hayes doesn't belong on this list at all if he can't find room for Billy Howton, Harold Jackson, Sterling Sharpe, Tommy McDonald, or Billy Wilson. And there's no way Cris Carter was better than all of Ray Berry, Lance Alworth, and Paul Warfield. Rod Smith doesn't belong, either.

Terrell Owens 4th all-time?

Didn't see the centers list until now. The biggest goof-up by far is including Dan Dierdorf. The top 10 isn't half bad, though Kevin Mawae is too low at no. 14. And Mick Tingelhoff is a glaring omission.

Dierdorf being in this list is indeed perplexing. Tingelhoff, Kent Hull and Jeff Saturday should be in this list somewhere.... all of whom could take Alex Mack's spot.