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In regards to tonight's game, it inspires this thread. This is the first year in quite a while that both were winners at the same time. What are some historic games between these two that come to mind? Not just the obvious ones from late-'60s/early-'70s & early-'90s but also any from outside those eras.

Well, outside of the obvious I have little to contribute.

But I am very much looking forward to tonight's game.
I hope it lives up to the potential and that the game is sufficient to keep my attention through the myriad of commercial interruptions.
(If not it's off to the Warriors game I go)

Like the Steelers/Giants or Cowboys/Browns this match-up evokes memories from my childhood.
My brother's favorite team was the Chiefs and I can remember watching their games with he and my dad.
They're both gone now but for a few moments tonight, when Willie Lanier crushes Hewritt Dixon in the backfield, I will feel their presence again.

1993 stands out. Raiders were a wildcard team & Chiefs won the division. The KC-LA games decided the division.

I enjoyed the 1991 games in Kansas City. The Chiefs came from behind to beat the Raiders on Monday Night Football. That game seemed to be a big deal at the time and it being on MNF added to that. Maybe it was the first MNF meeting between those teams in a good while?

The Wild Card tilt was a hard hitting game played on a cold day on a rug. The Chiefs won 10-6. Many of today's kids would find that game to be dull.

I'll go on the assumption that two "obvious ones" are the 1969 AFL title game and the wild 1970 tie in KC.

One of the most bizarre games at KC was in 1986. It was the first year of instant replay, and a Dokie Williams TD catch should 've overturned to pass incomplete, but bad communication between the replay oficial and the umpire (in those years it was by phone!) resulted in a Raiders TD (the replay oficial said "pass incomplete" and the umpire understood "pass is complete"). The Raiders were trailing 17-0, but thanks to that TD they weint into halftime with only trailing by 10 points and procceed it to win.

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-10-06/ ... r-football

Another bizarre Chiefs-Raiders matchup was the '87 replacement game played at the L.A. Coliseum on Oct. 4, 1987. Players that weren't exactly in football shape had to compete in 105°F degree weather and the night before the game there was an earthquake. The Raiders defeated the Chiefs 35-17 in front of only 10,000 fans. The Raiders' Vince Evans had a great day (137.5 rating).

The '91 Wild Card game was a miserable display of pass offense by both teams on a chilly and damp day. The Chiefs ended up winning 10-6. Steve DeBerg threw for only 89 yards but he did have 1 TD with his 1 INT. The Raiders' Todd Marinovich had an awful game. He threw 4 INTs and lost one fumble.

The Raiders' LA finale in 1994 on Christmas Eve.

Playoff win-and-in.

Raiders as per usual could not beat Marty's boys.

Marcus Allen ran for over 100 yards against his old team, Joe Montana's final win.

The 1999 season finale at 4pm EST. Seattle could have clinched the AFC West with a win against the Jets at 1pm, but they continued their second half slide, and lost. That opened the door for KC to win the division by beating the Raiders. After 5 minutes, they had a 14-0 lead despite not having the ball on offense. Tamarick Vanover, playing his final game for the Chiefs, returned a punt for a score, and James Hasty returned an interception for another score. Oakland battled back from a 17-0 deficit to take a 21-17 lead...before halftime, I believe. The two teams battled back and forth. One of the highlights was a powerful run by Tyrone Wheatley for 26 yards or so, running through tackles and literally dragging them in the end zone (with a little push from his linemen.)
Oakland converted a late 4th and 12 with a completion to Tim Brown, and Joe Nedney tied the game at 38. The Chiefs moved into position for a FG, but Pete Stoyanovich missed a 44 yard error at the gun. One the opening kickoff for OT, the Chiefs' Jon Baker kicked the ball out of bounds for the third time that day! With favorable field position, Gannon completed a pair of 20+ yard passes to Rickey Dudley and Brown. Nedney kicked a FG to give Oakland a 41-38 win.
The what-ifs from this game are numerous. If KC had advanced to the postseason, would Gunther Cunningham have been given more than 2 years as HC? Would the Trent Green-Priest Holmes-Dick Vermeil offensive juggernaut have existed?
Did this set the stage for the Jon Gruden/Rich Gannon Raiders? (I think not. Gannon had already had the best season of his career even before that game.)

Most importantly, would Derrick Thomas still be alive? Thomas was critically injured less than a month after this game in an automobile accident, driving to the airport to fly to the NFC Championship Game. If Kansas City had made the postseason, would Thomas still have been in the same position? Impossible to know for sure, unless Kansas City was actually playing in the AFC title game.. I think if Kansas City had beaten Oakland and won the division, they may well have beaten Miami in the WC round, giving Marino a more dignified send off than the disaster in Jacksonville.. Miami-Seattle was a match up of two slumping teams. Both had started 8-2, and finished 9-7. KC had been more up and down in 1999, but may well have held off the slumping Dolphins in the friendly confines of Arrowhead Stadium.
Assuming that KC beats Miami, they would have travelled to Indianapolis. They had already lost to the Colts that year, but if the Colts had laid an egg like they did against Tennessee (they dropped a number of balls in the divisional round game) KC may well have been able to beat Indy. I highly doubt they would have defeated Jacksonville, let alone St. Louis in the Super Bowl.

conace21 wrote:The 1999 season finale at 4pm EST. Seattle could have clinched the AFC West with a win against the Jets at 1pm, but they continued their second half slide, and lost. That opened the door for KC to win the division by beating the Raiders. After 5 minutes, they had a 14-0 lead despite not having the ball on offense. Tamarick Vanover, playing his final game for the Chiefs, returned a punt for a score, and James Hasty returned an interception for another score. Oakland battled back from a 17-0 deficit to take a 21-17 lead...before halftime, I believe. The two teams battled back and forth. One of the highlights was a powerful run by Tyrone Wheatley for 26 yards or so, running through tackles and literally dragging them in the end zone (with a little push from his linemen.)
Oakland converted a late 4th and 12 with a completion to Tim Brown, and Joe Nedney tied the game at 38. The Chiefs moved into position for a FG, but Pete Stoyanovich missed a 44 yard error at the gun. One the opening kickoff for OT, the Chiefs' Jon Baker kicked the ball out of bounds for the third time that day! With favorable field position, Gannon completed a pair of 20+ yard passes to Rickey Dudley and Brown. Nedney kicked a FG to give Oakland a 41-38 win.
The what-ifs from this game are numerous. If KC had advanced to the postseason, would Gunther Cunningham have been given more than 2 years as HC? Would the Trent Green-Priest Holmes-Dick Vermeil offensive juggernaut have existed?
Did this set the stage for the Jon Gruden/Rich Gannon Raiders? (I think not. Gannon had already had the best season of his career even before that game.)

Most importantly, would Derrick Thomas still be alive? Thomas was critically injured less than a month after this game in an automobile accident, driving to the airport to fly to the NFC Championship Game. If Kansas City had made the postseason, would Thomas still have been in the same position? Impossible to know for sure, unless Kansas City was actually playing in the AFC title game.. I think if Kansas City had beaten Oakland and won the division, they may well have beaten Miami in the WC round, giving Marino a more dignified send off than the disaster in Jacksonville.. Miami-Seattle was a match up of two slumping teams. Both had started 8-2, and finished 9-7. KC had been more up and down in 1999, but may well have held off the slumping Dolphins in the friendly confines of Arrowhead Stadium.
Assuming that KC beats Miami, they would have travelled to Indianapolis. They had already lost to the Colts that year, but if the Colts had laid an egg like they did against Tennessee (they dropped a number of balls in the divisional round game) KC may well have been able to beat Indy. I highly doubt they would have defeated Jacksonville, let alone St. Louis in the Super Bowl.

If Chiefs beat Miami in that hypo-1st-rounder, correct me if wrong, I think they would have gone straight to Jacksonville the following week. Either way, quite an informative post! Interesting what-ifs as well.

One Raiders/Chiefs game that comes to mind...2002 finale. No, not a good game. Final score was Oakland 24 KC 0. If Raiders lose, however, Tennessee would not only have gotten top-seed over them, but Pittsburgh would have gotten 2nd with their 10-5-1 mark as opposed to Oakland's 10-6. And who would the 3rd-seed Raiders have hosted in that 1st-round game? Would it be KC again (after all, they beat Cleveland head-to-head; both teams would be 9-7 in this case)? Or does Denver (9-7 as well) box them out because they swept them during regular season?

And while we're on 2002, conace...you HAD to bring up Emmy-winner, Ned, huh?