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Wednesday, November 16, 2016
Green Bay Packers All Career-Year Team
OPINION
By John Turney

WOW.
John Brockington's 1971 is worth only an Honorable Mention.
That was one of the all-time great seasons from my youth.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... ocJo00.htm

Likewise Tony Canadeo can't break the opening line-up. He's only in the Hall of Fame...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... naTo00.htm

And we had to shoe-horn Johnny Blood at Tight End?

I guess that's what happens when you have two periods of sustained excellence (and Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung).

Poor Donny Anderson and Jim Grabowski.

John, I love seeing the old-time players on these teams - I think your doing a great job giving them their due. So here’s a couple nitpicks for you - I’d rather see Dilweg than Blood at TE - I think Lavie would be more likely to throw a block for you in case you line these guys up in a power formation. Similarly, I see exactly what you were thinking mapping the BB to the modern FB, but I’d still run Hinkle out with the starters. Imagine him and Taylor in the same backfield - both are fullbacks and feature backs - my personal favorite type of RB.

TanksAndSpartans wrote:John, I love seeing the old-time players on these teams - I think your doing a great job giving them their due. So here’s a couple nitpicks for you - I’d rather see Dilweg than Blood at TE - I think Lavie would be more likely to throw a block for you in case you line these guys up in a power formation. Similarly, I see exactly what you were thinking mapping the BB to the modern FB, but I’d still run Hinkle out with the starters. Imagine him and Taylor in the same backfield - both are fullbacks and feature backs - my personal favorite type of RB.

FRom Chris Willis's research and my own, I saw that Blood, in 1931 was a wingback and also a halfback. The wingback lineup up rught outsidethe tackle, off the line, so, to me it was closer to a tight end.

Of course, all wide receivers back then were tight most of the time, Hutson, Fears, Hirsch . . . but I put them in more of the passcatchers category.

So, I get the points and they are valid, I just tried to choose, along with advise from Chris and TJ how the role they filled would be represented today.

John, I am guessing you already considered it, but how does Dilweg's 1929 season stack up at DE? With incomplete stats, he still had 7 interceptions from the DE position, which was far more than any other DE that year.

This might be best put in a separate thread but I've always wondered how much Hutson's peak years were inflated by the war. He was one of the few players to play straight on through the early 40s. Just wondering if you took that into consideration. However even if you did take that into consideration I'd be shocked to not see Hutson '42 on your first team.

Hey John, Ken mentioned Dilweg at DE and I saw on the blog where Mike Moran mentioned Mel Hein possibly making the team as a LB. Did you wind up having any of the two-way players on both sides of the ball? I think WB maps better to a modern slot receiver. I think guys like Blood or Ernie Caddel were good at it because they had the speed to run that "end around" sweep - something you wouldn't ask a modern tight end to do. I find the box scores from that era can be head scratchers. From what I recall, they list positions based on the T-formation. For example, Dutch Clark wasn't a QB, he was a TB. So when the nomenclature LH, RH, FB, and QB is used, I would expect the TB to be listed as LH, the WB as RH, and the QB as BB, but I've seen the 4 backs listed strangely sometimes. For Blood probably it didn't matter much since RH and WB are the same. I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers either moved Blood around or shifted to a T so that Blood could line up in the backfield and run something other than sweeps as well.

Not even sure where to start .... so much here. Thanks, John!

Fun fact related to John's Packer All-Career team ... Jerry Norton (P) had unfortunate timing as his two seasons under Lombardi were sandwiched between the back-to-back championships of 1961-62 and the threepeat of 1965-'66-'67.

Odd fact unrelated but I need to mention this ... nine games into the 2016 season, the Packers have scored 25 touchdowns - ALL involve Aaron Rodgers (22 passing TDs by Rodgers and 3 rushing TDs by Rodgers).

Ronfitch wrote:Not even sure where to start .... so much here. Thanks, John!

Fun fact related to John's Packer All-Career team ... Jerry Norton (P) had unfortunate timing as his two seasons under Lombardi were sandwiched between the back-to-back championships of 1961-62 and the threepeat of 1965-'66-'67.

Odd fact unrelated but I need to mention this ... nine games into the 2016 season, the Packers have scored 25 touchdowns - ALL involve Aaron Rodgers (22 passing TDs by Rodgers and 3 rushing TDs by Rodgers).

I will be updating these as time goes on. My HM lists got longer and longer, so the earlier ones I need to add to, and also include any new "career years"

Elliott of Cowboys seems to be making a case...also some others...so, it will be an ongoing thing ...

It's impossible to include everyone deserving of mention with teams like the Bears and Packers.
They have such long histories of sustained excellence (and some eras of mediocrity) that no two "Teams" (first and second string) could really do them complete justice.

That said, John is as qualified as anyone to make these lists and has done a great job of evaluating the best years of the best players and educating someone like myself on the more obscure single seasons.

Sad to see that the series is complete.
But glad to see it will be updated.

Thanks John!!