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#1 Wildcats Unite
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 07:49 PM
I'm not sure that I agree with CBS announcer Jim Nantz, who says that this was the "arguably darkest week In NFL history." From a public
relations/news cycle perspective, maybe, but the negativity has nothing to do with anything that happened on the field. From the perspective as a
fan, the strike seasons were dismal, especially with scabs suiting up. Anytime a player was paralyzed on the field, that's dark and sad.
What are your opinions?
#2 BD Sullivan
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 07:57 PM
Wildcats Unite, on 12 Sept 2014 - 7:49 PM, said:
I'm not sure that I agree with CBS announcer Jim Nantz, who says that this was the "arguably darkest week In NFL history." From a public
relations/news cycle perspective, maybe, but the negativity has nothing to do with anything that happened on the field. From the perspective as a
fan, the strike seasons were dismal, especially with scabs suiting up. Anytime a player was paralyzed on the field, that's dark and sad.
What are your opinions?
Saying it on the anniversary of 9/11, no less. That horrific day resulted in the league postponing an entire week's worth of games--which hadn't
happened since the AFL had done it in November 1963.
#3 JWL
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 08:41 PM
Probably.
#4 NWebster
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 09:08 PM
At the risk of being seen as 1)calous, 2) misogynist I'm really upset at Ray Rice, Kevin Hardy and now Adrian Peterson for taking away the piece of
joy I love in a life that is very good but otherwise involves 1) a job that's frustrating, 2) fun family problems, and all that crap, etc. I love this game.
2014 might be ruined (i hope not and that this passes) because I cannot watch it without hearing about all this crap.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I love the game for what it is - beautiful, and for what its not. But that's been infiltrated, and it makes me sad.
The kids phrase TMI comes to mind, but certainly part of our love of the game is as an escape, no?
#5 Reaser
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 09:29 PM
Only would be 'darkest' because of today's media and society (24 hrs, internet, social networks, etc) ...
Numerous people get arrested and do bad things, whether they play football, work at a bank, deliver pizza, etc... Their job isn't important to me and
doesn't drive my amount of care.
It was annoying that on Monday I wanted to watch NFLN for injury updates, highlights, coaches press conferences, etc ... like a normal Monday
during the season, and instead it was non-stop (literally) Ray Rice coverage. The word Nick used applies, infiltrated.
Though as annoying as not being able to see football coverage/pre-game/etc without it being all about Ray Rice (and today Peterson), the thing that
caused me to spill my drink this week was the roughing the passer call last night . . .
#6 JWL
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 09:44 PM
Reaser,
It was dark because of the negative press for the league and, love him or hate him, Roger Goodell's future as league commissioner has been
questioned. I don't ever remember a week where the NFL had so much negativity surrounding it. I never remember a NFL commissioner's
employment status being discussed in this way.
The hit on Ben Roethlisberger was perfectly fine last night. Unfortunately, Ed Hochuli (who has sucked for a half decade now) thought he saw
something that did not actually happen. I have to think that is what happened because if he saw what happened and still threw a flag, then the league
might as well just put red jerseys on the quarterbacks and not allow them to be tackled.
#7 Reaser
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 10:13 PM
JWL, on 12 Sept 2014 - 9:44 PM, said:
Reaser,
It was dark because of the negative press for the league and, love him or hate him, Roger Goodell's future as league commissioner has been
questioned. I don't ever remember a week where the NFL had so much negativity surrounding it. I never remember a NFL commissioner's
employment status being discussed in this way.
The hit on Ben Roethlisberger was perfectly fine last night. Unfortunately, Ed Hochuli (who has sucked for a half decade now) thought he saw
something that did not actually happen. I have to think that is what happened because if he saw what happened and still threw a flag, then the league
might as well just put red jerseys on the quarterbacks and not allow them to be tackled.
and all of that is because of today's society, news, etc ... in the 90's it may have been a side story on the news, the commissioner wouldn't have
been doing news show interviews, no one would have been tweeting, the million 'rights' groups wouldn't have the same voice, the political pressure,
the hype, etc... All because of 'today' ... which I hate Goodell, so good, I hope he does lose his job, he's a disgrace to football. Speaking strictly on
coverage though, it's only the 'darkest' because it happened in 2014 and not 1994, not saying that as a positive or negative, just as what it is.
Phil Simms agreed with the call, I'm sure on "official review" it'll be confirmed as a "good call", and that will just infuriate me even more.
#8 JohnMaxymuk
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 10:53 PM
Dan Daly quoted Art Donovan saying that 1950s football was played by "oversize coal miners and West Texas psychopaths." I imagine several of
those guys did some pretty awful things off the field, too. The thing is, though, I don't imagine it because my focus is on this beautiful game as Nick
put it. Football combines intelligence, strategy, grace, brawn, power in an arena of controlled violence, and I think that overflowing amalgamation is
its appeal to most of us.
Sports media people often don't seem to really love the game; they'd rather be seen as sophisticated social commentators (or over the top
personalities in many cases). I am sorry that the Rices have such a mutually destructive relationship, but it has nothing to do with the game. I'm with
Reaser in that the mass media is overwhelming in its destructive self serving stupidity, but don't let it get your dauber down as they used to say.
Focus on the game; block out the rest.
And BTW Matt, to me that was a form tackle on big ben.
#9 NWebster
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:15 PM
Reaser, on 12 Sept 2014 - 9:29 PM, said:
Only would be 'darkest' because of today's media and society (24 hrs, internet, social networks, etc) ...
Numerous people get arrested and do bad things, whether they play football, work at a bank, deliver pizza, etc... Their job isn't important to me and
doesn't drive my amount of care.
It was annoying that on Monday I wanted to watch NFLN for injury updates, highlights, coaches press conferences, etc ... like a normal Monday
during the season, and instead it was non-stop (literally) Ray Rice coverage. The word Nick used applies, infiltrated.
Though as annoying as not being able to see football coverage/pre-game/etc without it being all about Ray Rice (and today Peterson), the thing that
caused me to spill my drink this week was the roughing the passer call last night . . .
Steeler fan, worst roughing the passer the call in the history of the NFL.
#10 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 12:40 AM
So, who will hire Ray Rice in a few years to discuss football- ESPN, CBS, NBC, FOX or NFLN?
#11 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:14 AM
Reaser, on 12 Sept 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:
and all of that is because of today's society, news, etc ... in the 90's it may have been a side story on the news, the commissioner wouldn't have
been doing news show interviews, no one would have been tweeting, the million 'rights' groups wouldn't have the same voice, the political pressure,
the hype, etc... All because of 'today' ... which I hate Goodell, so good, I hope he does lose his job, he's a disgrace to football. Speaking strictly on
coverage though, it's only the 'darkest' because it happened in 2014 and not 1994, not saying that as a positive or negative, just as what it is.
Phil Simms agreed with the call, I'm sure on "official review" it'll be confirmed as a "good call", and that will just infuriate me even more.
Well, yeah, the media added to the problems. Roger Goodell started it, though. We knew in the winter that Ray Rice had punched a woman in an
elevator and knocked her out. We saw video of her lying unconscious and being dragged outside an elevator.
Rice was later suspended for 2 games.
Rice should have received a 4 or 6-game suspension. Then a video was released this week and Goodell changed Rice's suspension. Goodell
changed the suspension because he said what he saw was worse than what Rice told him had happened. I am wondering what Goodell thought
happened prior to seeing the full video. Did he think the woman was knocked unconscious accidentally?
Then we have the 49ers suspending an announcer for commenting on the Rice fiasco while they continue to let their domestically violent player Ray
McDonald play.
#12 Rupert Patrick
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:20 AM
JWL, on 13 Sept 2014 - 12:40 AM, said:
So, who will hire Ray Rice in a few years to discuss football- ESPN, CBS, NBC, FOX or NFLN?
Where else will somebody of his reputation be accepted except for the rap music community.
I find it hard to believe that Ray Rice will ever be employed in the NFL again. He might wind up in the CFL, but I think any NFL team who hires him
will have women's groups picketing and protesting, and they don't want that.
While I find Rice's behavior disgusting, and appalling, and I would never condone hitting a woman under any circumstances, I don't understand how
this is considered far, far worse than what Michael Vick did. Vick was allowed back into the NFL after a couple years while I would be very
surprised if any NFL team would pick Rice up in the future. Is it because there wasn't a video showing Michael Vick doing what he did? Just
because there wasn't a film of Vick's actions available doesn't mean it wasn't just as hideous as we all know it had to be.
As far as the effect that this will have on the 2014 NFL season, I find that I just change the channel if they are talking about Ray Rice, it won't get to
me.
#13 Jeremy Crowhurst
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:28 AM
Agree with all of the above about the media.
What gets me is the extreme language used by members of the media to describe Rice - much stronger than was used to describe OJ or Rae
Carruth. When you use that kind of language for Rice, then what does that leave you to describe guys who hit their wives two or three times?
#14 Reaser
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:30 AM
JWL, on 13 Sept 2014 - 01:14 AM, said:
Well, yeah, the media added to the problems....
Maybe we're talking about two different things. I'm saying the only reason is because it's 2014. Again, if this was 1994, 1984, etc and the commish
at the time gave 2 games no one would care because society and the media was different.
Agree on the video changing things when it really shouldn't have been needed. Doesn't make sense to me either, literally everyone knew he knocked
her out so the video shouldn't have even been needed to make an acceptable decision (which 2 games obviously was not) ... Also goes to Rupert's
point - though I disagree that killing animals is worse than KO'ing a female, regardless - about Vick. We know what Vick did, shouldn't need the
video to determine the punishment.
When Josh Brent returns later this season (after DUI led to death of teammate) he'll have missed less time than Vick. So I'm not sure Vick got off
light at all, he served more time than people who kill other people, and he lost more of his NFL career than people who drive drunk and kill other
people.
I suppose people can disagree on such things, but it goes back to Goodell and consistency and credibility, which he has neither of.
Either way, I'm always one who cares about what happens on the field, off the field I only care about roster moves and such things. As I originally
said, people do bad things in all professions, there's someone KO'ing a female as I type this, where's the coverage of that? Doesn't matter to media
or society because a football player didn't do it . . .
#15 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 05:23 AM
Yeah, this stuff happens to all types of people.
The only thing I will mention about Vick is that he is being used to sell Cure auto insurance. He is in a dopey commercial. Curtis Granderson is in
another one. It is possible these are local commercials because I think I only see these on SNY. I am amazed that Vick was able to get any
endorsements.
#16 Rupert Patrick
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 08:37 AM
Reaser, on 13 Sept 2014 - 01:30 AM, said:
When Josh Brent returns later this season (after DUI led to death of teammate) he'll have missed less time than Vick. So I'm not sure Vick got off
light at all, he served more time than people who kill other people, and he lost more of his NFL career than people who drive drunk and kill other
people.
On the other hand, Donte Stallworth did a grand total of 24 days in county jail for hitting and killing a pedestrian while driving with a blood alcohol
level of 0.12, although he was suspended for the entire 2009 NFL season, but he was back the next season and won the Ed Block Courage Award.
Nowadays, Stallworth (who was a 9/11 truther by the way) is a national security correspondent for the Huffington Post.
#17 oldecapecod 11
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 10:02 AM
But, but, but; if, if, if; when, when, when; c'mon, it is a horrid crime that will result in a comparatively light slap on the wrist.
As someone said: he'll soon be an analyst.
Let's face it. If it would increase revenue, Willie Sutton would be selling ADT systems and Jesse James would be an AMTRAK spokesman.
Please remember: not only Dracula is noted for his bites. We had Mike Tyson and Marv Albert.
At least Mike did in it the ring.
Sexual assault charges
Albert became the focus of a media frenzy in 1997, when he went on trial for felony charges of forcible sodomy. A 42-year-old woman named
Vanessa Perhach accused Albert of throwing her on a bed, biting her, and forcing her to perform oral sex after a February 12, 1997 argument in
his Pentagon City hotel room. DNA testing linked Albert to genetic material taken from the bite marks and from semen in Perhach's underwear.
During the trial, testimony was presented from another woman, Patricia Masden, who told the jury that Albert had bitten her on two different
occasions in 1993 and 1994 in Miami and Dallas hotels, which she viewed as unwanted sexual advances. Masden claimed that in Dallas, Albert
called her to his hotel room to help him send a fax, only for her to find him wearing "white panties and garter belt." Albert maintained that Perhach
had requested that he bite her and denied her accusation that he'd asked her to bring another man into their sexual affair. He described the
recorded conversation of hers with the police on the night of the incident "an Academy Award performance." After tests proved that the bite marks
were his, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and battery charges, while the sodomy charge was dropped. Albert was given a 12-month
suspended sentence.
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Marv_Albert
And, before you run and hide, try to type Chappaquiddick without spellcheck. I bet you can't.
Punishment: 1 year suspension of license to drive.
Edited to add colon (no pun)
#18 conace21
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 10:08 AM
Part of the reason Stallworth had a light sentence was that the pedestrian crossed a causeway outside of a crosswalk. Traffic video also apparently
showed Stallworth breaking as soon as the man stepped in the road. Could Stallworth have avoided hitting him, if he was sober? Perhaps, but
impossible to say for sure.
#19 Citizen
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 11:09 AM
It's threads like this that illustrate why the stranglehold the NFL has on America's consciousness will never subside. I love football, but I don't prize it
over the welfare of human beings, whether they're players, their spouses or their kids. If an NFL superstar beats one of his kids bloody or knocks
his fiancee unconscious, I want to know about it. I don't care if it impacts whatever "escape" value I (or you) get from the game. I appreciate having
the misdeeds of these brutes brought out into the light of day. I consider that reporting to be a public service, and I hope the scorn it brings is a
deterrent to other players (or anyone) who thinks about beating a child.
I don't look at a time when these things went unreported to be "the good old days," I see those times as a dark period when lots of bad people got
away with lots of bad behavior. If you're going to get mad at somebody for putting a cloud over your NFL fantasy world, shouldn't Rice, Peterson, et
al., be a bit higher on the list than the news media? Blaming the messenger strikes me as a bit short-sighted, to say the least.
#20 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 12:31 PM
Citizen, on 13 Sept 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:
It's threads like this that illustrate why the stranglehold the NFL has on America's consciousness will never subside. I love football, but I don't prize it
over the welfare of human beings, whether they're players, their spouses or their kids. If an NFL superstar beats one of his kids bloody or knocks
his fiancee unconscious, I want to know about it. I don't care if it impacts whatever "escape" value I (or you) get from the game. I appreciate having
the misdeeds of these brutes brought out into the light of day. I consider that reporting to be a public service, and I hope the scorn it brings is a
deterrent to other players (or anyone) who thinks about beating a child.
I don't look at a time when these things went unreported to be "the good old days," I see those times as a dark period when lots of bad people got
away with lots of bad behavior. If you're going to get mad at somebody for putting a cloud over your NFL fantasy world, shouldn't Rice, Peterson, et
al., be a bit higher on the list than the news media? Blaming the messenger strikes me as a bit short-sighted, to say the least.
Yes, the players are the biggest turds here. The league and the media are lesser problems, but still problems.
I also like seeing these players get punished and do not pine for olden times when this stuff wasn't reported as much.
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#21 NWebster
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:00 PM
Citizen, on 13 Sept 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:
It's threads like this that illustrate why the stranglehold the NFL has on America's consciousness will never subside. I love football, but I don't prize it
over the welfare of human beings, whether they're players, their spouses or their kids. If an NFL superstar beats one of his kids bloody or knocks
his fiancee unconscious, I want to know about it. I don't care if it impacts whatever "escape" value I (or you) get from the game. I appreciate having
the misdeeds of these brutes brought out into the light of day. I consider that reporting to be a public service, and I hope the scorn it brings is a
deterrent to other players (or anyone) who thinks about beating a child.
I don't look at a time when these things went unreported to be "the good old days," I see those times as a dark period when lots of bad people got
away with lots of bad behavior. If you're going to get mad at somebody for putting a cloud over your NFL fantasy world, shouldn't Rice, Peterson, et
al., be a bit higher on the list than the news media? Blaming the messenger strikes me as a bit short-sighted, to say the least.
I guess I view it differently, we have a criminal justice system for a reason. Roger Goodell is no replacement for a judge, two lawyers, and a jury of
your peers.
yes, in this case, there's no question something horrible happened. But we should be angry at Goodell, and it should be a football conversation. How
does a DA let that go - oh, she said its all ok, she's a battered woman, what do you expect??
Different issues are being mixed here. Does your dry cleaner beat his wife, should he not be allowed to dry clean clothes? How about your mail
man? And on and on. We expect in all kinds of jobs that people get their punishment by the judicial system and then were dealing with people who've
paid their penalty. Why should the NFL be different. We should be upset that the judicial process didn't work, not that Goodell didn't do a good job. If
my mail man got away with something that the judicial system should have punished more I'm not upset at the lost master general.
#22 Reaser
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:30 PM
NWebster, on 13 Sept 2014 - 1:00 PM, said:
Does your dry cleaner beat his wife, should he not be allowed to dry clean clothes? How about your mail man? And on and on.
This is along the lines of what I was trying to say with news coverage. The media doesn't cover or care about "mail man in small town hits his wife"
because that headline doesn't sell. The people that like to use others doing bad things to put themselves up on a pedestal need the downfall of a
celebrity/public figure, and the media need the same to sell it.
The media isn't going full blast on Ray Rice because they're good people, they're doing it because it sells, maybe I'm just different because that
doesn't sell to me? As I posted earlier, if someone hits their wife whatever their job is doesn't determine my amount of care.
If it was a mail man the general public wouldn't care, the media wouldn't care, and a majority of people would have no other response than to shrug
and say "who?", as opposed to "that's horrible" . . . That's my issue, DV is only a story if it's a public figure/athlete/celebrity and people eat it up so
they can feel all warm and fuzzy inside and say to themselves; "(public figure A) is in trouble, that means he's not better than me, everyone look at
how good of a person I am!" ... it's ridiculous. You either care or you don't, don't just (pretend to) 'care' because it involves someone (public figure)
you think you know.
As an aside, never viewed or really understood the saying of using football as an escape. It's an everyday thing for me and I don't want to escape.
It's a major part of my life: family, friends and football. The escape is when I watch a movie or a tv show.
Yes Nick, people should care a lot more about the judicial process failure. That's boring and doesn't sell though . . .
#23 mwald
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:37 PM
I do view it as one of the darkest weeks in the league. Even when real football returned on Thursday it involved the Ravens. It seems like the Gods
are playing a cruel joke.
That said, I blame the media entirely for their lack of perspective. Two Americans were recently beheaded and the number one story in the country
is whether a sports commissioner should step down?
Call it my two-bit attempt at pop psychology but maybe manufacturing a huge story out of a smaller one is the only way we as a society can deal
with those horrible, gruesome images.
#24 coach tj troup
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:41 PM
....realize I represent the dinosaur contingent....so take this for what it is worth. one of the frosh asked me about ray rice on the practice field on
wednesday. my response, in your future when you marry, treasure her, and treat her right. now, tell me your responsibility on zone under coverage.
we all have thoughts about what goes on, yet my choice is to teach the game, and write about the history of the game.
#25 Reaser
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:46 PM
mwald, on 13 Sept 2014 - 1:37 PM, said:
I blame the media entirely for their lack of perspective. Two Americans were recently beheaded and the number one story in the country is whether
a sports commissioner should step down?
This.
coach tj troup, on 13 Sept 2014 - 1:41 PM, said:
in your future when you marry, treasure her, and treat her right. now, tell me your responsibility on zone under coverage.
and this.
#26 oldecapecod 11
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 02:18 PM
NWebster
Posted Today, 01:00 PM
Citizen, on 13 Sept 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:
"It's threads like this that illustrate why ... into the light of day. I consider that reporting to be a public service, and I hope the scorn it brings is a
deterrent to other players...
"If you're going to get mad at somebody for putting a cloud over your NFL fantasy world, shouldn't Rice, Peterson, et al., be a bit higher on the
list..."
"I guess I view it differently, we have a criminal justice system for a reason. Roger Goodell is no replacement for a judge, two lawyers, and a jury of
your peers.
yes, in this case, there's no question something horrible happened. But we should be angry at Goodell, and it should be a football conversation. How
does a DA let that go - oh, she said its all ok, she's a battered woman, what do you expect??
Different issues are being mixed here. Does your dry cleaner beat his wife, should he not be allowed to dry clean clothes? How about your mail
man? And on and on. We expect in all kinds of jobs that people get their punishment by the judicial system and then were dealing with people who've
paid their penalty. Why should the NFL be different. We should be upset that the judicial process didn't work, not that Goodell didn't do a good job. If
my mail man got away with something that the judicial system should have punished more I'm not upset at the lost master general."
You say you view it differently but you do not state your view?
You seem to understand the obvious: "Roger Goodell is no replacement..." but no one has implied that he is or that they expect for him to be.
If Goodell does not do everything within his power to remove this creature from a position of adulation by fans - many of whom may be children still
in their formative years - then, yes, indeed, we should be angry with Goodell.
What issues are being mixed? There is a filmed incident of a crime of violence. Is Rice to be punished or not to be punished? That is the only
question. The extent of the punishment is yet to be established so, as yet, it not an issue.
Your dry cleaner / mail man comparisons are ludicrous - unless, of course, you hold your dry cleaner and your mail man in positions of esteem to
be glorified and emulated by the young or easily influenced.
I don't see any mail man replica jerseys or dry cleaner hoodies on sale at the local stores.
('Course, admittedly, this is Florida where the backward cracker mentality has not enacted laws prohibiting sex with animals.)
While both are honorable professions, I have never heard a kid saying he wants to grow up to be like the mail man or the dry cleaner.
Those in the public spotlight should be held to greater expectations and should be excluded from such spotlights when they violate the standards of
what is, in effect, the public trust.
And, as an aside, I do not know what the current policy of the money-losing and rapidly deteriorating USPS is but when the system was still the
"Service" those government employees would likely be discharged for such actions. And, yes, in a case where there was a highly-visible film of the
crime, dismissal would not be dependent on a Court verdict.
#27 Jeremy Crowhurst
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 02:41 PM
Citizen, what has this week's media coverage told you about Ray Rice that you didn't already know? I knew everything I needed to back in
February, when the story was first reported and the video of an unconscious Janay being dragged out of an elevator and dropped on the ground
was made public.
#28 BD Sullivan
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 03:46 PM
mwald, on 13 Sept 2014 - 1:37 PM, said:
I do view it as one of the darkest weeks in the league. Even when real football returned on Thursday it involved the Ravens. It seems like the Gods
are playing a cruel joke.
That said, I blame the media entirely for their lack of perspective. Two Americans were recently beheaded and the number one story in the country
is whether a sports commissioner should step down?
Call it my two-bit attempt at pop psychology but maybe manufacturing a huge story out of a smaller one is the only way we as a society can deal
with those horrible, gruesome images.
The beheadings have happened before (i.e. Daniel Pearl) and pretty much everyone knows the people doing it are not rational, so there's little room
for debate.
Meanwhile, you have the NFL, which is printing money and has always been anal-retentive when it comes to PR, yet have been compounding their
early mistake of the two-game suspension. The fact that the Hardy and McDonald messes play into this only magnifies the story.
#29 Todd Pence
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:11 PM
What a ridiculous statement. This isn't even in the same class as JFK or 9/11.
#30 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:20 PM
Todd Pence, on 13 Sept 2014 - 6:11 PM, said:
What a ridiculous statement. This isn't even in the same class as JFK or 9/11.
The weeks in which those events occurred were dark weeks in American history in general. The NFL didn't get negative press for the President
being assassinated or the terrorist attacks on 9/11.
#31 BD Sullivan
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:37 PM
JWL, on 13 Sept 2014 - 6:20 PM, said:
The weeks in which those events occurred were dark weeks in American history in general. The NFL didn't get negative press for the President
being assassinated or the terrorist attacks on 9/11.
In the case of the former, they took heat almost immediately for their decision to go ahead and play--with their rival, the AFL, getting all the PR glory.
#32 Citizen
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:43 PM
Jeremy Crowhurst, on 13 Sept 2014 - 2:41 PM, said:
Citizen, what has this week's media coverage told you about Ray Rice that you didn't already know? I knew everything I needed to back in
February, when the story was first reported and the video of an unconscious Janay being dragged out of an elevator and dropped on the ground
was made public.
Not sure what your point is. The emergence of the video from inside the elevator -- and the subsequent revelations about the league's knowledge of
that footage -- was a huge story.
#33 Rupert Patrick
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:48 PM
BD Sullivan, on 13 Sept 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:
In the case of the former, they took heat almost immediately for their decision to go ahead and play--with their rival, the AFL, getting all the PR glory.
Rozelle always said his worst decision as Commissioner was in not postponing the games the weekend after JFK was assassinated.
#34 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 07:07 PM
BD Sullivan, on 13 Sept 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:
In the case of the former, they took heat almost immediately for their decision to go ahead and play--with their rival, the AFL, getting all the PR glory.
From all I have read and seen, I don't think the league was getting ripped as bad then as it was this week. One thing I don't know is if anyone was
calling for Rozelle to lose his job.
#35 SixtiesFan
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 07:54 PM
BD Sullivan, on 13 Sept 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:
In the case of the former, they took heat almost immediately for their decision to go ahead and play--with their rival, the AFL, getting all the PR glory.
No, the criticism came in retrospect, not at the time. Sports Illustrated put Pete Rozelle on the cover a few weeks later. Why? Rozelle was being
honored as Sportsman of The Year.
BTW, I was following the NFL in 1963.
#36 Jeremy Crowhurst
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 08:36 PM
Citizen, on 13 Sept 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:
If an NFL superstar beats one of his kids bloody or knocks his fiancee unconscious, I want to know about it. I don't care if it impacts whatever
"escape" value I (or you) get from the game. I appreciate having the misdeeds of these brutes brought out into the light of day. I consider that
reporting to be a public service....
I'm talking about this. Releasing the video wasn't news. It didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. It was a "story", in the eyes of TMZ,
because it was sensational. Exactly what public service did they perform here?
#37 JuggernautJ
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 08:44 PM
How dare the NFL presume to legislate morality when its sole purpose is to generate revenue for its benefactors?
Preaching morality after selling your soul is the height of hypocrisy.
And I firmly believe the "worst" week in NFL history looms in the not too distant future as the changes in the game, wrought by greed, become
obvious to all and the NFL begins an inevitable decline.
#38 Reaser
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 08:52 PM
Jeremy Crowhurst, on 13 Sept 2014 - 8:36 PM, said:
I'm talking about this. Releasing the video wasn't news. It didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. It was a "story", in the eyes of TMZ,
because it was sensational. Exactly what public service did they perform here?
Agree 100% with this.
In other 'news', just got a "breaking news" text alert from ESPN Mobile:
"Ray Rice watches High School football game at New Rochelle, with his wife and daughter."
Public service . . .
#39 Rupert Patrick
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 09:43 PM
Jeremy Crowhurst, on 13 Sept 2014 - 8:36 PM, said:
I'm talking about this. Releasing the video wasn't news. It didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. It was a "story", in the eyes of TMZ,
because it was sensational. Exactly what public service did they perform here?
Ray Rice is now a household name, even people who don't follow football know him as the guy who punched out his fiancee in an elevator. As
famous as he is now, I know it's only a matter of time before somebody throws him a pile of cash to be in a reality show about his domestic life.
#40 Citizen
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Posted 14 September 2014 - 10:32 AM
Jeremy Crowhurst, on 13 Sept 2014 - 8:36 PM, said:
I'm talking about this. Releasing the video wasn't news. It didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. It was a "story", in the eyes of TMZ,
because it was sensational. Exactly what public service did they perform here?
It didn't tell us anything we hadn't already presumed. The video confirmed those presumptions, making it news. And, it was a story in the eyes of not
just TMZ but every media outlet in the United States and the hundreds of millions of people who talked about it during the week. Keep minimizing it if
that makes you feel better, but doing so is contrary to reality.
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#1 Wildcats Unite
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 07:49 PM
I'm not sure that I agree with CBS announcer Jim Nantz, who says that this was the "arguably darkest week In NFL history." From a public
relations/news cycle perspective, maybe, but the negativity has nothing to do with anything that happened on the field. From the perspective as a
fan, the strike seasons were dismal, especially with scabs suiting up. Anytime a player was paralyzed on the field, that's dark and sad.
What are your opinions?
#2 BD Sullivan
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 07:57 PM
Wildcats Unite, on 12 Sept 2014 - 7:49 PM, said:
I'm not sure that I agree with CBS announcer Jim Nantz, who says that this was the "arguably darkest week In NFL history." From a public
relations/news cycle perspective, maybe, but the negativity has nothing to do with anything that happened on the field. From the perspective as a
fan, the strike seasons were dismal, especially with scabs suiting up. Anytime a player was paralyzed on the field, that's dark and sad.
What are your opinions?
Saying it on the anniversary of 9/11, no less. That horrific day resulted in the league postponing an entire week's worth of games--which hadn't
happened since the AFL had done it in November 1963.
#3 JWL
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 08:41 PM
Probably.
#4 NWebster
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 09:08 PM
At the risk of being seen as 1)calous, 2) misogynist I'm really upset at Ray Rice, Kevin Hardy and now Adrian Peterson for taking away the piece of
joy I love in a life that is very good but otherwise involves 1) a job that's frustrating, 2) fun family problems, and all that crap, etc. I love this game.
2014 might be ruined (i hope not and that this passes) because I cannot watch it without hearing about all this crap.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I love the game for what it is - beautiful, and for what its not. But that's been infiltrated, and it makes me sad.
The kids phrase TMI comes to mind, but certainly part of our love of the game is as an escape, no?
#5 Reaser
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 09:29 PM
Only would be 'darkest' because of today's media and society (24 hrs, internet, social networks, etc) ...
Numerous people get arrested and do bad things, whether they play football, work at a bank, deliver pizza, etc... Their job isn't important to me and
doesn't drive my amount of care.
It was annoying that on Monday I wanted to watch NFLN for injury updates, highlights, coaches press conferences, etc ... like a normal Monday
during the season, and instead it was non-stop (literally) Ray Rice coverage. The word Nick used applies, infiltrated.
Though as annoying as not being able to see football coverage/pre-game/etc without it being all about Ray Rice (and today Peterson), the thing that
caused me to spill my drink this week was the roughing the passer call last night . . .
#6 JWL
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 09:44 PM
Reaser,
It was dark because of the negative press for the league and, love him or hate him, Roger Goodell's future as league commissioner has been
questioned. I don't ever remember a week where the NFL had so much negativity surrounding it. I never remember a NFL commissioner's
employment status being discussed in this way.
The hit on Ben Roethlisberger was perfectly fine last night. Unfortunately, Ed Hochuli (who has sucked for a half decade now) thought he saw
something that did not actually happen. I have to think that is what happened because if he saw what happened and still threw a flag, then the league
might as well just put red jerseys on the quarterbacks and not allow them to be tackled.
#7 Reaser
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 10:13 PM
JWL, on 12 Sept 2014 - 9:44 PM, said:
Reaser,
It was dark because of the negative press for the league and, love him or hate him, Roger Goodell's future as league commissioner has been
questioned. I don't ever remember a week where the NFL had so much negativity surrounding it. I never remember a NFL commissioner's
employment status being discussed in this way.
The hit on Ben Roethlisberger was perfectly fine last night. Unfortunately, Ed Hochuli (who has sucked for a half decade now) thought he saw
something that did not actually happen. I have to think that is what happened because if he saw what happened and still threw a flag, then the league
might as well just put red jerseys on the quarterbacks and not allow them to be tackled.
and all of that is because of today's society, news, etc ... in the 90's it may have been a side story on the news, the commissioner wouldn't have
been doing news show interviews, no one would have been tweeting, the million 'rights' groups wouldn't have the same voice, the political pressure,
the hype, etc... All because of 'today' ... which I hate Goodell, so good, I hope he does lose his job, he's a disgrace to football. Speaking strictly on
coverage though, it's only the 'darkest' because it happened in 2014 and not 1994, not saying that as a positive or negative, just as what it is.
Phil Simms agreed with the call, I'm sure on "official review" it'll be confirmed as a "good call", and that will just infuriate me even more.
#8 JohnMaxymuk
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 10:53 PM
Dan Daly quoted Art Donovan saying that 1950s football was played by "oversize coal miners and West Texas psychopaths." I imagine several of
those guys did some pretty awful things off the field, too. The thing is, though, I don't imagine it because my focus is on this beautiful game as Nick
put it. Football combines intelligence, strategy, grace, brawn, power in an arena of controlled violence, and I think that overflowing amalgamation is
its appeal to most of us.
Sports media people often don't seem to really love the game; they'd rather be seen as sophisticated social commentators (or over the top
personalities in many cases). I am sorry that the Rices have such a mutually destructive relationship, but it has nothing to do with the game. I'm with
Reaser in that the mass media is overwhelming in its destructive self serving stupidity, but don't let it get your dauber down as they used to say.
Focus on the game; block out the rest.
And BTW Matt, to me that was a form tackle on big ben.
#9 NWebster
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:15 PM
Reaser, on 12 Sept 2014 - 9:29 PM, said:
Only would be 'darkest' because of today's media and society (24 hrs, internet, social networks, etc) ...
Numerous people get arrested and do bad things, whether they play football, work at a bank, deliver pizza, etc... Their job isn't important to me and
doesn't drive my amount of care.
It was annoying that on Monday I wanted to watch NFLN for injury updates, highlights, coaches press conferences, etc ... like a normal Monday
during the season, and instead it was non-stop (literally) Ray Rice coverage. The word Nick used applies, infiltrated.
Though as annoying as not being able to see football coverage/pre-game/etc without it being all about Ray Rice (and today Peterson), the thing that
caused me to spill my drink this week was the roughing the passer call last night . . .
Steeler fan, worst roughing the passer the call in the history of the NFL.
#10 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 12:40 AM
So, who will hire Ray Rice in a few years to discuss football- ESPN, CBS, NBC, FOX or NFLN?
#11 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:14 AM
Reaser, on 12 Sept 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:
and all of that is because of today's society, news, etc ... in the 90's it may have been a side story on the news, the commissioner wouldn't have
been doing news show interviews, no one would have been tweeting, the million 'rights' groups wouldn't have the same voice, the political pressure,
the hype, etc... All because of 'today' ... which I hate Goodell, so good, I hope he does lose his job, he's a disgrace to football. Speaking strictly on
coverage though, it's only the 'darkest' because it happened in 2014 and not 1994, not saying that as a positive or negative, just as what it is.
Phil Simms agreed with the call, I'm sure on "official review" it'll be confirmed as a "good call", and that will just infuriate me even more.
Well, yeah, the media added to the problems. Roger Goodell started it, though. We knew in the winter that Ray Rice had punched a woman in an
elevator and knocked her out. We saw video of her lying unconscious and being dragged outside an elevator.
Rice was later suspended for 2 games.
Rice should have received a 4 or 6-game suspension. Then a video was released this week and Goodell changed Rice's suspension. Goodell
changed the suspension because he said what he saw was worse than what Rice told him had happened. I am wondering what Goodell thought
happened prior to seeing the full video. Did he think the woman was knocked unconscious accidentally?
Then we have the 49ers suspending an announcer for commenting on the Rice fiasco while they continue to let their domestically violent player Ray
McDonald play.
#12 Rupert Patrick
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:20 AM
JWL, on 13 Sept 2014 - 12:40 AM, said:
So, who will hire Ray Rice in a few years to discuss football- ESPN, CBS, NBC, FOX or NFLN?
Where else will somebody of his reputation be accepted except for the rap music community.
I find it hard to believe that Ray Rice will ever be employed in the NFL again. He might wind up in the CFL, but I think any NFL team who hires him
will have women's groups picketing and protesting, and they don't want that.
While I find Rice's behavior disgusting, and appalling, and I would never condone hitting a woman under any circumstances, I don't understand how
this is considered far, far worse than what Michael Vick did. Vick was allowed back into the NFL after a couple years while I would be very
surprised if any NFL team would pick Rice up in the future. Is it because there wasn't a video showing Michael Vick doing what he did? Just
because there wasn't a film of Vick's actions available doesn't mean it wasn't just as hideous as we all know it had to be.
As far as the effect that this will have on the 2014 NFL season, I find that I just change the channel if they are talking about Ray Rice, it won't get to
me.
#13 Jeremy Crowhurst
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:28 AM
Agree with all of the above about the media.
What gets me is the extreme language used by members of the media to describe Rice - much stronger than was used to describe OJ or Rae
Carruth. When you use that kind of language for Rice, then what does that leave you to describe guys who hit their wives two or three times?
#14 Reaser
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:30 AM
JWL, on 13 Sept 2014 - 01:14 AM, said:
Well, yeah, the media added to the problems....
Maybe we're talking about two different things. I'm saying the only reason is because it's 2014. Again, if this was 1994, 1984, etc and the commish
at the time gave 2 games no one would care because society and the media was different.
Agree on the video changing things when it really shouldn't have been needed. Doesn't make sense to me either, literally everyone knew he knocked
her out so the video shouldn't have even been needed to make an acceptable decision (which 2 games obviously was not) ... Also goes to Rupert's
point - though I disagree that killing animals is worse than KO'ing a female, regardless - about Vick. We know what Vick did, shouldn't need the
video to determine the punishment.
When Josh Brent returns later this season (after DUI led to death of teammate) he'll have missed less time than Vick. So I'm not sure Vick got off
light at all, he served more time than people who kill other people, and he lost more of his NFL career than people who drive drunk and kill other
people.
I suppose people can disagree on such things, but it goes back to Goodell and consistency and credibility, which he has neither of.
Either way, I'm always one who cares about what happens on the field, off the field I only care about roster moves and such things. As I originally
said, people do bad things in all professions, there's someone KO'ing a female as I type this, where's the coverage of that? Doesn't matter to media
or society because a football player didn't do it . . .
#15 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 05:23 AM
Yeah, this stuff happens to all types of people.
The only thing I will mention about Vick is that he is being used to sell Cure auto insurance. He is in a dopey commercial. Curtis Granderson is in
another one. It is possible these are local commercials because I think I only see these on SNY. I am amazed that Vick was able to get any
endorsements.
#16 Rupert Patrick
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 08:37 AM
Reaser, on 13 Sept 2014 - 01:30 AM, said:
When Josh Brent returns later this season (after DUI led to death of teammate) he'll have missed less time than Vick. So I'm not sure Vick got off
light at all, he served more time than people who kill other people, and he lost more of his NFL career than people who drive drunk and kill other
people.
On the other hand, Donte Stallworth did a grand total of 24 days in county jail for hitting and killing a pedestrian while driving with a blood alcohol
level of 0.12, although he was suspended for the entire 2009 NFL season, but he was back the next season and won the Ed Block Courage Award.
Nowadays, Stallworth (who was a 9/11 truther by the way) is a national security correspondent for the Huffington Post.
#17 oldecapecod 11
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 10:02 AM
But, but, but; if, if, if; when, when, when; c'mon, it is a horrid crime that will result in a comparatively light slap on the wrist.
As someone said: he'll soon be an analyst.
Let's face it. If it would increase revenue, Willie Sutton would be selling ADT systems and Jesse James would be an AMTRAK spokesman.
Please remember: not only Dracula is noted for his bites. We had Mike Tyson and Marv Albert.
At least Mike did in it the ring.
Sexual assault charges
Albert became the focus of a media frenzy in 1997, when he went on trial for felony charges of forcible sodomy. A 42-year-old woman named
Vanessa Perhach accused Albert of throwing her on a bed, biting her, and forcing her to perform oral sex after a February 12, 1997 argument in
his Pentagon City hotel room. DNA testing linked Albert to genetic material taken from the bite marks and from semen in Perhach's underwear.
During the trial, testimony was presented from another woman, Patricia Masden, who told the jury that Albert had bitten her on two different
occasions in 1993 and 1994 in Miami and Dallas hotels, which she viewed as unwanted sexual advances. Masden claimed that in Dallas, Albert
called her to his hotel room to help him send a fax, only for her to find him wearing "white panties and garter belt." Albert maintained that Perhach
had requested that he bite her and denied her accusation that he'd asked her to bring another man into their sexual affair. He described the
recorded conversation of hers with the police on the night of the incident "an Academy Award performance." After tests proved that the bite marks
were his, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and battery charges, while the sodomy charge was dropped. Albert was given a 12-month
suspended sentence.
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Marv_Albert
And, before you run and hide, try to type Chappaquiddick without spellcheck. I bet you can't.
Punishment: 1 year suspension of license to drive.
Edited to add colon (no pun)
#18 conace21
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 10:08 AM
Part of the reason Stallworth had a light sentence was that the pedestrian crossed a causeway outside of a crosswalk. Traffic video also apparently
showed Stallworth breaking as soon as the man stepped in the road. Could Stallworth have avoided hitting him, if he was sober? Perhaps, but
impossible to say for sure.
#19 Citizen
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 11:09 AM
It's threads like this that illustrate why the stranglehold the NFL has on America's consciousness will never subside. I love football, but I don't prize it
over the welfare of human beings, whether they're players, their spouses or their kids. If an NFL superstar beats one of his kids bloody or knocks
his fiancee unconscious, I want to know about it. I don't care if it impacts whatever "escape" value I (or you) get from the game. I appreciate having
the misdeeds of these brutes brought out into the light of day. I consider that reporting to be a public service, and I hope the scorn it brings is a
deterrent to other players (or anyone) who thinks about beating a child.
I don't look at a time when these things went unreported to be "the good old days," I see those times as a dark period when lots of bad people got
away with lots of bad behavior. If you're going to get mad at somebody for putting a cloud over your NFL fantasy world, shouldn't Rice, Peterson, et
al., be a bit higher on the list than the news media? Blaming the messenger strikes me as a bit short-sighted, to say the least.
#20 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 12:31 PM
Citizen, on 13 Sept 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:
It's threads like this that illustrate why the stranglehold the NFL has on America's consciousness will never subside. I love football, but I don't prize it
over the welfare of human beings, whether they're players, their spouses or their kids. If an NFL superstar beats one of his kids bloody or knocks
his fiancee unconscious, I want to know about it. I don't care if it impacts whatever "escape" value I (or you) get from the game. I appreciate having
the misdeeds of these brutes brought out into the light of day. I consider that reporting to be a public service, and I hope the scorn it brings is a
deterrent to other players (or anyone) who thinks about beating a child.
I don't look at a time when these things went unreported to be "the good old days," I see those times as a dark period when lots of bad people got
away with lots of bad behavior. If you're going to get mad at somebody for putting a cloud over your NFL fantasy world, shouldn't Rice, Peterson, et
al., be a bit higher on the list than the news media? Blaming the messenger strikes me as a bit short-sighted, to say the least.
Yes, the players are the biggest turds here. The league and the media are lesser problems, but still problems.
I also like seeing these players get punished and do not pine for olden times when this stuff wasn't reported as much.
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#21 NWebster
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:00 PM
Citizen, on 13 Sept 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:
It's threads like this that illustrate why the stranglehold the NFL has on America's consciousness will never subside. I love football, but I don't prize it
over the welfare of human beings, whether they're players, their spouses or their kids. If an NFL superstar beats one of his kids bloody or knocks
his fiancee unconscious, I want to know about it. I don't care if it impacts whatever "escape" value I (or you) get from the game. I appreciate having
the misdeeds of these brutes brought out into the light of day. I consider that reporting to be a public service, and I hope the scorn it brings is a
deterrent to other players (or anyone) who thinks about beating a child.
I don't look at a time when these things went unreported to be "the good old days," I see those times as a dark period when lots of bad people got
away with lots of bad behavior. If you're going to get mad at somebody for putting a cloud over your NFL fantasy world, shouldn't Rice, Peterson, et
al., be a bit higher on the list than the news media? Blaming the messenger strikes me as a bit short-sighted, to say the least.
I guess I view it differently, we have a criminal justice system for a reason. Roger Goodell is no replacement for a judge, two lawyers, and a jury of
your peers.
yes, in this case, there's no question something horrible happened. But we should be angry at Goodell, and it should be a football conversation. How
does a DA let that go - oh, she said its all ok, she's a battered woman, what do you expect??
Different issues are being mixed here. Does your dry cleaner beat his wife, should he not be allowed to dry clean clothes? How about your mail
man? And on and on. We expect in all kinds of jobs that people get their punishment by the judicial system and then were dealing with people who've
paid their penalty. Why should the NFL be different. We should be upset that the judicial process didn't work, not that Goodell didn't do a good job. If
my mail man got away with something that the judicial system should have punished more I'm not upset at the lost master general.
#22 Reaser
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:30 PM
NWebster, on 13 Sept 2014 - 1:00 PM, said:
Does your dry cleaner beat his wife, should he not be allowed to dry clean clothes? How about your mail man? And on and on.
This is along the lines of what I was trying to say with news coverage. The media doesn't cover or care about "mail man in small town hits his wife"
because that headline doesn't sell. The people that like to use others doing bad things to put themselves up on a pedestal need the downfall of a
celebrity/public figure, and the media need the same to sell it.
The media isn't going full blast on Ray Rice because they're good people, they're doing it because it sells, maybe I'm just different because that
doesn't sell to me? As I posted earlier, if someone hits their wife whatever their job is doesn't determine my amount of care.
If it was a mail man the general public wouldn't care, the media wouldn't care, and a majority of people would have no other response than to shrug
and say "who?", as opposed to "that's horrible" . . . That's my issue, DV is only a story if it's a public figure/athlete/celebrity and people eat it up so
they can feel all warm and fuzzy inside and say to themselves; "(public figure A) is in trouble, that means he's not better than me, everyone look at
how good of a person I am!" ... it's ridiculous. You either care or you don't, don't just (pretend to) 'care' because it involves someone (public figure)
you think you know.
As an aside, never viewed or really understood the saying of using football as an escape. It's an everyday thing for me and I don't want to escape.
It's a major part of my life: family, friends and football. The escape is when I watch a movie or a tv show.
Yes Nick, people should care a lot more about the judicial process failure. That's boring and doesn't sell though . . .
#23 mwald
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:37 PM
I do view it as one of the darkest weeks in the league. Even when real football returned on Thursday it involved the Ravens. It seems like the Gods
are playing a cruel joke.
That said, I blame the media entirely for their lack of perspective. Two Americans were recently beheaded and the number one story in the country
is whether a sports commissioner should step down?
Call it my two-bit attempt at pop psychology but maybe manufacturing a huge story out of a smaller one is the only way we as a society can deal
with those horrible, gruesome images.
#24 coach tj troup
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:41 PM
....realize I represent the dinosaur contingent....so take this for what it is worth. one of the frosh asked me about ray rice on the practice field on
wednesday. my response, in your future when you marry, treasure her, and treat her right. now, tell me your responsibility on zone under coverage.
we all have thoughts about what goes on, yet my choice is to teach the game, and write about the history of the game.
#25 Reaser
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 01:46 PM
mwald, on 13 Sept 2014 - 1:37 PM, said:
I blame the media entirely for their lack of perspective. Two Americans were recently beheaded and the number one story in the country is whether
a sports commissioner should step down?
This.
coach tj troup, on 13 Sept 2014 - 1:41 PM, said:
in your future when you marry, treasure her, and treat her right. now, tell me your responsibility on zone under coverage.
and this.
#26 oldecapecod 11
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 02:18 PM
NWebster
Posted Today, 01:00 PM
Citizen, on 13 Sept 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:
"It's threads like this that illustrate why ... into the light of day. I consider that reporting to be a public service, and I hope the scorn it brings is a
deterrent to other players...
"If you're going to get mad at somebody for putting a cloud over your NFL fantasy world, shouldn't Rice, Peterson, et al., be a bit higher on the
list..."
"I guess I view it differently, we have a criminal justice system for a reason. Roger Goodell is no replacement for a judge, two lawyers, and a jury of
your peers.
yes, in this case, there's no question something horrible happened. But we should be angry at Goodell, and it should be a football conversation. How
does a DA let that go - oh, she said its all ok, she's a battered woman, what do you expect??
Different issues are being mixed here. Does your dry cleaner beat his wife, should he not be allowed to dry clean clothes? How about your mail
man? And on and on. We expect in all kinds of jobs that people get their punishment by the judicial system and then were dealing with people who've
paid their penalty. Why should the NFL be different. We should be upset that the judicial process didn't work, not that Goodell didn't do a good job. If
my mail man got away with something that the judicial system should have punished more I'm not upset at the lost master general."
You say you view it differently but you do not state your view?
You seem to understand the obvious: "Roger Goodell is no replacement..." but no one has implied that he is or that they expect for him to be.
If Goodell does not do everything within his power to remove this creature from a position of adulation by fans - many of whom may be children still
in their formative years - then, yes, indeed, we should be angry with Goodell.
What issues are being mixed? There is a filmed incident of a crime of violence. Is Rice to be punished or not to be punished? That is the only
question. The extent of the punishment is yet to be established so, as yet, it not an issue.
Your dry cleaner / mail man comparisons are ludicrous - unless, of course, you hold your dry cleaner and your mail man in positions of esteem to
be glorified and emulated by the young or easily influenced.
I don't see any mail man replica jerseys or dry cleaner hoodies on sale at the local stores.
('Course, admittedly, this is Florida where the backward cracker mentality has not enacted laws prohibiting sex with animals.)
While both are honorable professions, I have never heard a kid saying he wants to grow up to be like the mail man or the dry cleaner.
Those in the public spotlight should be held to greater expectations and should be excluded from such spotlights when they violate the standards of
what is, in effect, the public trust.
And, as an aside, I do not know what the current policy of the money-losing and rapidly deteriorating USPS is but when the system was still the
"Service" those government employees would likely be discharged for such actions. And, yes, in a case where there was a highly-visible film of the
crime, dismissal would not be dependent on a Court verdict.
#27 Jeremy Crowhurst
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 02:41 PM
Citizen, what has this week's media coverage told you about Ray Rice that you didn't already know? I knew everything I needed to back in
February, when the story was first reported and the video of an unconscious Janay being dragged out of an elevator and dropped on the ground
was made public.
#28 BD Sullivan
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 03:46 PM
mwald, on 13 Sept 2014 - 1:37 PM, said:
I do view it as one of the darkest weeks in the league. Even when real football returned on Thursday it involved the Ravens. It seems like the Gods
are playing a cruel joke.
That said, I blame the media entirely for their lack of perspective. Two Americans were recently beheaded and the number one story in the country
is whether a sports commissioner should step down?
Call it my two-bit attempt at pop psychology but maybe manufacturing a huge story out of a smaller one is the only way we as a society can deal
with those horrible, gruesome images.
The beheadings have happened before (i.e. Daniel Pearl) and pretty much everyone knows the people doing it are not rational, so there's little room
for debate.
Meanwhile, you have the NFL, which is printing money and has always been anal-retentive when it comes to PR, yet have been compounding their
early mistake of the two-game suspension. The fact that the Hardy and McDonald messes play into this only magnifies the story.
#29 Todd Pence
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:11 PM
What a ridiculous statement. This isn't even in the same class as JFK or 9/11.
#30 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:20 PM
Todd Pence, on 13 Sept 2014 - 6:11 PM, said:
What a ridiculous statement. This isn't even in the same class as JFK or 9/11.
The weeks in which those events occurred were dark weeks in American history in general. The NFL didn't get negative press for the President
being assassinated or the terrorist attacks on 9/11.
#31 BD Sullivan
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:37 PM
JWL, on 13 Sept 2014 - 6:20 PM, said:
The weeks in which those events occurred were dark weeks in American history in general. The NFL didn't get negative press for the President
being assassinated or the terrorist attacks on 9/11.
In the case of the former, they took heat almost immediately for their decision to go ahead and play--with their rival, the AFL, getting all the PR glory.
#32 Citizen
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:43 PM
Jeremy Crowhurst, on 13 Sept 2014 - 2:41 PM, said:
Citizen, what has this week's media coverage told you about Ray Rice that you didn't already know? I knew everything I needed to back in
February, when the story was first reported and the video of an unconscious Janay being dragged out of an elevator and dropped on the ground
was made public.
Not sure what your point is. The emergence of the video from inside the elevator -- and the subsequent revelations about the league's knowledge of
that footage -- was a huge story.
#33 Rupert Patrick
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:48 PM
BD Sullivan, on 13 Sept 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:
In the case of the former, they took heat almost immediately for their decision to go ahead and play--with their rival, the AFL, getting all the PR glory.
Rozelle always said his worst decision as Commissioner was in not postponing the games the weekend after JFK was assassinated.
#34 JWL
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 07:07 PM
BD Sullivan, on 13 Sept 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:
In the case of the former, they took heat almost immediately for their decision to go ahead and play--with their rival, the AFL, getting all the PR glory.
From all I have read and seen, I don't think the league was getting ripped as bad then as it was this week. One thing I don't know is if anyone was
calling for Rozelle to lose his job.
#35 SixtiesFan
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 07:54 PM
BD Sullivan, on 13 Sept 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:
In the case of the former, they took heat almost immediately for their decision to go ahead and play--with their rival, the AFL, getting all the PR glory.
No, the criticism came in retrospect, not at the time. Sports Illustrated put Pete Rozelle on the cover a few weeks later. Why? Rozelle was being
honored as Sportsman of The Year.
BTW, I was following the NFL in 1963.
#36 Jeremy Crowhurst
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 08:36 PM
Citizen, on 13 Sept 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:
If an NFL superstar beats one of his kids bloody or knocks his fiancee unconscious, I want to know about it. I don't care if it impacts whatever
"escape" value I (or you) get from the game. I appreciate having the misdeeds of these brutes brought out into the light of day. I consider that
reporting to be a public service....
I'm talking about this. Releasing the video wasn't news. It didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. It was a "story", in the eyes of TMZ,
because it was sensational. Exactly what public service did they perform here?
#37 JuggernautJ
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 08:44 PM
How dare the NFL presume to legislate morality when its sole purpose is to generate revenue for its benefactors?
Preaching morality after selling your soul is the height of hypocrisy.
And I firmly believe the "worst" week in NFL history looms in the not too distant future as the changes in the game, wrought by greed, become
obvious to all and the NFL begins an inevitable decline.
#38 Reaser
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 08:52 PM
Jeremy Crowhurst, on 13 Sept 2014 - 8:36 PM, said:
I'm talking about this. Releasing the video wasn't news. It didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. It was a "story", in the eyes of TMZ,
because it was sensational. Exactly what public service did they perform here?
Agree 100% with this.
In other 'news', just got a "breaking news" text alert from ESPN Mobile:
"Ray Rice watches High School football game at New Rochelle, with his wife and daughter."
Public service . . .
#39 Rupert Patrick
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 09:43 PM
Jeremy Crowhurst, on 13 Sept 2014 - 8:36 PM, said:
I'm talking about this. Releasing the video wasn't news. It didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. It was a "story", in the eyes of TMZ,
because it was sensational. Exactly what public service did they perform here?
Ray Rice is now a household name, even people who don't follow football know him as the guy who punched out his fiancee in an elevator. As
famous as he is now, I know it's only a matter of time before somebody throws him a pile of cash to be in a reality show about his domestic life.
#40 Citizen
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Posted 14 September 2014 - 10:32 AM
Jeremy Crowhurst, on 13 Sept 2014 - 8:36 PM, said:
I'm talking about this. Releasing the video wasn't news. It didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. It was a "story", in the eyes of TMZ,
because it was sensational. Exactly what public service did they perform here?
It didn't tell us anything we hadn't already presumed. The video confirmed those presumptions, making it news. And, it was a story in the eyes of not
just TMZ but every media outlet in the United States and the hundreds of millions of people who talked about it during the week. Keep minimizing it if
that makes you feel better, but doing so is contrary to reality.
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