Lombardi's acolytes
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Lombardi's acolytes
Started by NNDman, Jul 25 2014 06:11 PM
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#1 NNDman
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:11 PM
Anyone have any theories why his assistants/former players had such little success? I know Gregg took the Bengals to the Super Bowl once and Jerry Burns did fairly well in Minnesota. and Heckler/Fears started with expansion teams, but got little to no opportunities thereafter.
#2 Jeffrey Miller
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:39 PM
Jim Ringo was an outstanding offensive line coach, but screwed the pooch as an HC ..
#3 luckyshow
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Posted 29 July 2014 - 03:45 PM
Are Lombardi and Landry considered Jim Lee Howell acolytes?
#4 BD Sullivan
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Posted 29 July 2014 - 07:11 PM
luckyshow, on 29 Jul 2014 - 3:45 PM, said:
Are Lombardi and Landry considered Jim Lee Howell acolytes?
Well, there is the Dr. Z story of someone walking by the Giants' coaching office and seeing Lombardi in one room watching offensive game film, Landry in another watching defensive game film, and Howell in another ... reading the newspaper.
#5 rhickok1109
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Posted 29 July 2014 - 09:09 PM
NNDman, on 25 Jul 2014 - 6:11 PM, said:
Anyone have any theories why his assistants/former players had such little success? I know Gregg took the Bengals to the Super Bowl once and Jerry Burns did fairly well in Minnesota. and Heckler/Fears started with expansion teams, but got little to no opportunities thereafter.
A simple (and perhaps too simple) answer is that Lombardi was a really dominant personality and his assistants tended to be the opposite, so it was impossible for them to coach the way he did.
#6 BD Sullivan
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 10:12 AM
rhickok1109, on 29 Jul 2014 - 9:09 PM, said:
A simple (and perhaps too simple) answer is that Lombardi was a really dominant personality and his assistants tended to be the opposite, so it was impossible for them to coach the way he did.
Bill Austin tried the slave-driver routine with the Steelers, but the talent wasn't there, and Austin's personality obviously didn't convey the message well.
#7 coach tj troup
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 01:38 PM
....many stories about austin's failures in Pittsburgh. entering '66 how much talent was on the steelers? how much talent was brought in for austin in '66 & '67? was he a leader of men? where would his staff be ranked among the 15 teams in '66? the '68 steelers were an eye opening experience for all to see......thus cleaning house for one charles n. to take over with help from dan rooney.
#8 BD Sullivan
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 02:50 PM
coach tj troup, on 30 Jul 2014 - 1:38 PM, said:
....many stories about austin's failures in Pittsburgh. entering '66 how much talent was on the steelers? how much talent was brought in for austin in '66 & '67? was he a leader of men? where would his staff be ranked among the 15 teams in '66?
Austin was really only there for two of the drafts, since the 1966 one was held (for the final time) late in the '65 season, when he was still with GB. The Steelers had drafted Roy Jefferson the year before, but the '66 draft was a disaster; the only good player drafted was Emerson Boozer, who, of course, ended up with the Jets. The 1967 draft brought in three average/mediocre players: RB Don Shy, T Rocky Freitas and LB Ray May. In '68, the only lasting player was Rocky Bleier, and he was virtually a grab bag 16th round selection.
Lombardi's acolytes
Started by NNDman, Jul 25 2014 06:11 PM
7 replies to this topic
#1 NNDman
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:11 PM
Anyone have any theories why his assistants/former players had such little success? I know Gregg took the Bengals to the Super Bowl once and Jerry Burns did fairly well in Minnesota. and Heckler/Fears started with expansion teams, but got little to no opportunities thereafter.
#2 Jeffrey Miller
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:39 PM
Jim Ringo was an outstanding offensive line coach, but screwed the pooch as an HC ..
#3 luckyshow
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Posted 29 July 2014 - 03:45 PM
Are Lombardi and Landry considered Jim Lee Howell acolytes?
#4 BD Sullivan
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Posted 29 July 2014 - 07:11 PM
luckyshow, on 29 Jul 2014 - 3:45 PM, said:
Are Lombardi and Landry considered Jim Lee Howell acolytes?
Well, there is the Dr. Z story of someone walking by the Giants' coaching office and seeing Lombardi in one room watching offensive game film, Landry in another watching defensive game film, and Howell in another ... reading the newspaper.
#5 rhickok1109
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Posted 29 July 2014 - 09:09 PM
NNDman, on 25 Jul 2014 - 6:11 PM, said:
Anyone have any theories why his assistants/former players had such little success? I know Gregg took the Bengals to the Super Bowl once and Jerry Burns did fairly well in Minnesota. and Heckler/Fears started with expansion teams, but got little to no opportunities thereafter.
A simple (and perhaps too simple) answer is that Lombardi was a really dominant personality and his assistants tended to be the opposite, so it was impossible for them to coach the way he did.
#6 BD Sullivan
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 10:12 AM
rhickok1109, on 29 Jul 2014 - 9:09 PM, said:
A simple (and perhaps too simple) answer is that Lombardi was a really dominant personality and his assistants tended to be the opposite, so it was impossible for them to coach the way he did.
Bill Austin tried the slave-driver routine with the Steelers, but the talent wasn't there, and Austin's personality obviously didn't convey the message well.
#7 coach tj troup
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 01:38 PM
....many stories about austin's failures in Pittsburgh. entering '66 how much talent was on the steelers? how much talent was brought in for austin in '66 & '67? was he a leader of men? where would his staff be ranked among the 15 teams in '66? the '68 steelers were an eye opening experience for all to see......thus cleaning house for one charles n. to take over with help from dan rooney.
#8 BD Sullivan
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 02:50 PM
coach tj troup, on 30 Jul 2014 - 1:38 PM, said:
....many stories about austin's failures in Pittsburgh. entering '66 how much talent was on the steelers? how much talent was brought in for austin in '66 & '67? was he a leader of men? where would his staff be ranked among the 15 teams in '66?
Austin was really only there for two of the drafts, since the 1966 one was held (for the final time) late in the '65 season, when he was still with GB. The Steelers had drafted Roy Jefferson the year before, but the '66 draft was a disaster; the only good player drafted was Emerson Boozer, who, of course, ended up with the Jets. The 1967 draft brought in three average/mediocre players: RB Don Shy, T Rocky Freitas and LB Ray May. In '68, the only lasting player was Rocky Bleier, and he was virtually a grab bag 16th round selection.