After Ray Guy, next best punters?
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#1 Chrisskreager
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:45 AM
Ray Guy is obviously the greatest punter ever, but you never hear about the other great punters.
Who would you consider #2-#5 if you were discussing great punters?
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 05:15 AM
You have to remember that the best punters are already in Canton: Baugh and Lary who are head and shoulders above the rest, plus Van B, Waterfield, Trippi and Doak Walker. I never saw Thorpe play but I suppose he would be in there too.
So, here's five who wouldn't hurt you.
I think Don Chandler is the most deserving. If you look at the year he led the league, he did so with a 44.6 average. Lifetime, he was 43.4 - pretty darn consistent.
The other four: Reggie Roby, Jerrel Wilson, Donny Anderson and Dave Jennings. (Okay, so what! Yes; another Giant.)
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 09:54 AM
I mean this as a sincere question. I am not disputing that Guy was an excellent punter, but why was the "greatest punter of all time" only named a first time all pro three times in a 14 year career?
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 10:03 AM
I think Shane Lechler gives Ray Guy a run for the money as the greatest "pure punter" of all time....Tommy Davis was supposed to be pretty darned good too.
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JohnMaxymuk, on 03 Aug 2014 - 09:54 AM, said:
I mean this as a sincere question. I am not disputing that Guy was an excellent punter, but why was the "greatest punter of all time" only named a first time all pro three times in a 14 year career?
Actually, he was a first team all-pro from 1973 to 1978....He was three-time AP 1st team all-pro only because the AP didn't name a punter on their teams until 1976.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:48 AM
Tommy Davis, Jerrell Wilson and Reggie Roby would have to be strongly considered. Of those three, I think Wilson was the best, but I never saw much of Davis, however.
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....dr. z would rave about tommy davis in phone conversations. he had 82 yard punt vs. vikings(9-30-62), and 79 yard punt vs. bears(10-14-62). not that two long punts puts anyone in the best category, yet the guy could boom the ball in the winds of kezar......a trait paul stated limited other punters. as a combination kicker/punter he was certainly one of the best of his era. in slingin' sam's great game against detroit in '43....he had 10 punts/quick kicks for 519 yards.....so there is no doubt he would rank high on the all-time list. am sure if we all gave a list of 10 most effective(best?) punters many of the same names would appear. though he might not make many lists....saw bobby joe green punt many times.....and he was consistent, and excellent.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:44 PM
Shane Lechler, statistically, has to be at least considered. That guy has a great case as well.
Not saying he is HOF worthy, but Rich Camarillo was a damned good one.
Which begs another question: Steve Tasker, as a special teams phenom, does he belong?
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:10 PM
Versatile John
Posted Today, 12:44 PM
"... Which begs another question: Steve Tasker, as a special teams phenom, does he belong?"
For sure; but this might give them ideas for another category?
Special Teams Phenoms
Wedge Busters
Long Snappers
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Personal Protectors
guys who are critical to success - and championships - but guys that don't get much recognition (unless you're a Mickey Walker in New York - and I don't mean the Toy Bulldog.)
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:42 PM
Ken Strong was no slouch when it came to kicking the ball - supposedly he punted a ball 70 yards in high school -
this list is interesting - some names on there I wouldn't expect to see
NFL Single Game Playoffs Longest Punt Leaders
1. Ed Danowski 76 New York Giants vs. Detroit Lions, December 15, 1935
Mike Horan 76 Denver Broncos vs. Buffalo Bills, January 12, 1992
3. Tom Landry+ 75 New York Yankees vs. San Francisco 49ers, December 4, 1949
4. Charlie Conerly 72 New York Giants vs. Cleveland Browns, December 17, 1950
Yale Lary+ 72 Detroit Lions vs. Cleveland Browns, December 27, 1953
6. Ray Guy+ 71 Oakland Raiders vs. San Diego Chargers, January 11, 1981
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I have heard Randall Cunningham holds the record for the longest punt in Eagles' history. Do not hold me to that, but it is just something I have heard.
He was an All-American punter at UNLV.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 02:16 PM
Versatile John, on 03 Aug 2014 - 1:55 PM, said:
I have heard Randall Cunningham holds the record for the longest punt in Eagles' history. Do not hold me to that, but it is just something I have heard.
He was an All-American punter at UNLV.
Yes, Cunningham's 91-yard punt against the Giants in 1989 is the longest in franchise history. Keep in mind that Cunningham only punted 12 times during his career with the Eagles (and averaged 51.7 yards).
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 02:42 PM
I have also read where the punt went 70 yards and bounced (or rolled) the other 21 yards.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 03:14 PM
Our own frequent visitor, luckyshow, has a very interesting list concerning punts.
http://www.luckyshow...l/LongPunts.htm
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oldecapecod 11, on 03 Aug 2014 - 05:15 AM, said:
You have to remember that the best punters are already in Canton: Baugh and Lary who are head and shoulders above the rest, plus Van B, Waterfield, Trippi and Doak Walker. I never saw Thorpe play but I suppose he would be in there too.
So, here's five who wouldn't hurt you.
I think Don Chandler is the most deserving. If you look at the year he led the league, he did so with a 44.6 average. Lifetime, he was 43.4 - pretty darn consistent.
The other four: Reggie Roby, Jerrel Wilson, Donny Anderson and Dave Jennings. (Okay, so what! Yes; another Giant.)
+1, especially re: Sammy Baugh and Jim Thorpe.
Jerrel Wilson is my favorite specialist/punter ever (though many here decry his propensity for being blocked).
I loved watching Donnie Anderson as a runner (and receiver) but didn't recall him as a great punter. I'll have to read up on that. Thanks!
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Moran, on 03 Aug 2014 - 1:42 PM, said:
Ken Strong was no slouch when it came to kicking the ball - supposedly he punted a ball 70 yards in high school -
this list is interesting - some names on there I wouldn't expect to see
LONGEST PUNT
76 Ed Danowski, NFC: N.Y. Giants vs. Detroit, 1935
Mike Horan, AFC: Denver vs. Buffalo, 1991
72 Charlie Conerly, NFC-D: N.Y. Giants vs. Cleveland, 1950
Yale Lary, NFC: Detroit vs. Cleveland, 1953
71 Ray Guy, AFC: Oakland vs. San Diego, 1980
In 1948, Glen Dobbs had punts of 80, 74, 66, 54 and 50 yards during the AAFC season. His career average is 46.4; not too shabby, although he did have 7 punts blocked (career).
If there's someone who should probably be considered in the NFL, it would be Horace Gillom. He changed the way punting was done "back in the day" with a deeper drop and high, long kicks.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 06:00 PM
Joe Theismann.......................jk!
No, seriously, Sammy Baugh and Lech are the first two to come to my mind. As for the punter who could have most-easily transitioned to MLB if asked to? Reggie Roby.
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paulksandiego, on 03 Aug 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:
I think Shane Lechler gives Ray Guy a run for the money as the greatest "pure punter" of all time....Tommy Davis was supposed to be pretty darned good too.
Lechler may well be the best punter in pro football history, but a lot of people overlook the fact that Ray Guy has three Super Bowl rings, which is the most of any punter in history. There are nine punters who played on two SB winning teams (Donny Anderson, Larry Seiple, Bobby Walden, Craig Colquitt, Sean Landeta, Barry Helton, John Jett, Tom Rouen and Ken Walter), but only Guy played on three.
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JuggernautJ, on 03 Aug 2014 - 4:56 PM, said:
I loved watching Donnie Anderson as a runner (and receiver) but didn't recall him as a great punter. I'll have to read up on that. Thanks!
From what I've read, Anderson's left-footed punts were usually very high and also had a weird spin which made his punts difficult to judge and nearly impossible to return. Roger Bird's botched return in SB II was probably the big play of the game. Anderson punted 65 times for the Packers in 1967, and gave up a total of 22 return yards on the season. Anderson himself returned 9 punts for 98 yards that season.
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I had always assumed that Guy was the greatest punter who ever lived. Reading Dr. Z made me question that argument. Guy's average isn't that impressive. His supporters claim he sacrificed punting yards for hang time. Z dismissed him as a middle of the end zone punter. I haven't done much of a study myself, so I'm not sure.
I do know that his fame was probably responsible for his selection as punter on the Super Bowl silver anniversary team. He really wasn't that special in the Super Bowl, aside from the one handed leaping catch, which ranks up there with the Ricky Sanders fumble-and-recovery on a kickoff as plays that could have swung the tide in an oncoming blowout. But his punting numbers weren't that special. He had a nice high 51 yard boom against Minn, and several good kicks against Wash, but he allied Darrell Green to get his hands in a punt and bring it back 34 yards.
I did note that the only touchback he had was on the leaping grab, which naturally must have thrown off his rhythm. Many punters who manage to corrall a bad snap are lucky bot to shank it. Guy boomed it 42 yards.
Versatile John wondered about Steve Tasker. In the Archives board, underneath Buffalo Bills discussion questions, there was a lengthy discussion about Tasker n the HOF. I loved Tasker, but recall wondering Tasker was really the greatest special teams player who ever lived, or just the most famous special teams player who ever lives. I wonder the same thing about Ray Guy (among punters) and have read the discussion on this board with great interest.
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After Ray Guy, next best punters?
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#1 Chrisskreager
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:45 AM
Ray Guy is obviously the greatest punter ever, but you never hear about the other great punters.
Who would you consider #2-#5 if you were discussing great punters?
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 05:15 AM
You have to remember that the best punters are already in Canton: Baugh and Lary who are head and shoulders above the rest, plus Van B, Waterfield, Trippi and Doak Walker. I never saw Thorpe play but I suppose he would be in there too.
So, here's five who wouldn't hurt you.
I think Don Chandler is the most deserving. If you look at the year he led the league, he did so with a 44.6 average. Lifetime, he was 43.4 - pretty darn consistent.
The other four: Reggie Roby, Jerrel Wilson, Donny Anderson and Dave Jennings. (Okay, so what! Yes; another Giant.)
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 09:54 AM
I mean this as a sincere question. I am not disputing that Guy was an excellent punter, but why was the "greatest punter of all time" only named a first time all pro three times in a 14 year career?
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 10:03 AM
I think Shane Lechler gives Ray Guy a run for the money as the greatest "pure punter" of all time....Tommy Davis was supposed to be pretty darned good too.
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JohnMaxymuk, on 03 Aug 2014 - 09:54 AM, said:
I mean this as a sincere question. I am not disputing that Guy was an excellent punter, but why was the "greatest punter of all time" only named a first time all pro three times in a 14 year career?
Actually, he was a first team all-pro from 1973 to 1978....He was three-time AP 1st team all-pro only because the AP didn't name a punter on their teams until 1976.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:48 AM
Tommy Davis, Jerrell Wilson and Reggie Roby would have to be strongly considered. Of those three, I think Wilson was the best, but I never saw much of Davis, however.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:33 PM
....dr. z would rave about tommy davis in phone conversations. he had 82 yard punt vs. vikings(9-30-62), and 79 yard punt vs. bears(10-14-62). not that two long punts puts anyone in the best category, yet the guy could boom the ball in the winds of kezar......a trait paul stated limited other punters. as a combination kicker/punter he was certainly one of the best of his era. in slingin' sam's great game against detroit in '43....he had 10 punts/quick kicks for 519 yards.....so there is no doubt he would rank high on the all-time list. am sure if we all gave a list of 10 most effective(best?) punters many of the same names would appear. though he might not make many lists....saw bobby joe green punt many times.....and he was consistent, and excellent.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:44 PM
Shane Lechler, statistically, has to be at least considered. That guy has a great case as well.
Not saying he is HOF worthy, but Rich Camarillo was a damned good one.
Which begs another question: Steve Tasker, as a special teams phenom, does he belong?
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:10 PM
Versatile John
Posted Today, 12:44 PM
"... Which begs another question: Steve Tasker, as a special teams phenom, does he belong?"
For sure; but this might give them ideas for another category?
Special Teams Phenoms
Wedge Busters
Long Snappers
Holders
Personal Protectors
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:42 PM
Ken Strong was no slouch when it came to kicking the ball - supposedly he punted a ball 70 yards in high school -
this list is interesting - some names on there I wouldn't expect to see
NFL Single Game Playoffs Longest Punt Leaders
1. Ed Danowski 76 New York Giants vs. Detroit Lions, December 15, 1935
Mike Horan 76 Denver Broncos vs. Buffalo Bills, January 12, 1992
3. Tom Landry+ 75 New York Yankees vs. San Francisco 49ers, December 4, 1949
4. Charlie Conerly 72 New York Giants vs. Cleveland Browns, December 17, 1950
Yale Lary+ 72 Detroit Lions vs. Cleveland Browns, December 27, 1953
6. Ray Guy+ 71 Oakland Raiders vs. San Diego Chargers, January 11, 1981
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:55 PM
I have heard Randall Cunningham holds the record for the longest punt in Eagles' history. Do not hold me to that, but it is just something I have heard.
He was an All-American punter at UNLV.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 02:16 PM
Versatile John, on 03 Aug 2014 - 1:55 PM, said:
I have heard Randall Cunningham holds the record for the longest punt in Eagles' history. Do not hold me to that, but it is just something I have heard.
He was an All-American punter at UNLV.
Yes, Cunningham's 91-yard punt against the Giants in 1989 is the longest in franchise history. Keep in mind that Cunningham only punted 12 times during his career with the Eagles (and averaged 51.7 yards).
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 02:42 PM
I have also read where the punt went 70 yards and bounced (or rolled) the other 21 yards.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 03:14 PM
Our own frequent visitor, luckyshow, has a very interesting list concerning punts.
http://www.luckyshow...l/LongPunts.htm
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oldecapecod 11, on 03 Aug 2014 - 05:15 AM, said:
You have to remember that the best punters are already in Canton: Baugh and Lary who are head and shoulders above the rest, plus Van B, Waterfield, Trippi and Doak Walker. I never saw Thorpe play but I suppose he would be in there too.
So, here's five who wouldn't hurt you.
I think Don Chandler is the most deserving. If you look at the year he led the league, he did so with a 44.6 average. Lifetime, he was 43.4 - pretty darn consistent.
The other four: Reggie Roby, Jerrel Wilson, Donny Anderson and Dave Jennings. (Okay, so what! Yes; another Giant.)
+1, especially re: Sammy Baugh and Jim Thorpe.
Jerrel Wilson is my favorite specialist/punter ever (though many here decry his propensity for being blocked).
I loved watching Donnie Anderson as a runner (and receiver) but didn't recall him as a great punter. I'll have to read up on that. Thanks!
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Moran, on 03 Aug 2014 - 1:42 PM, said:
Ken Strong was no slouch when it came to kicking the ball - supposedly he punted a ball 70 yards in high school -
this list is interesting - some names on there I wouldn't expect to see
LONGEST PUNT
76 Ed Danowski, NFC: N.Y. Giants vs. Detroit, 1935
Mike Horan, AFC: Denver vs. Buffalo, 1991
72 Charlie Conerly, NFC-D: N.Y. Giants vs. Cleveland, 1950
Yale Lary, NFC: Detroit vs. Cleveland, 1953
71 Ray Guy, AFC: Oakland vs. San Diego, 1980
In 1948, Glen Dobbs had punts of 80, 74, 66, 54 and 50 yards during the AAFC season. His career average is 46.4; not too shabby, although he did have 7 punts blocked (career).
If there's someone who should probably be considered in the NFL, it would be Horace Gillom. He changed the way punting was done "back in the day" with a deeper drop and high, long kicks.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 06:00 PM
Joe Theismann.......................jk!
No, seriously, Sammy Baugh and Lech are the first two to come to my mind. As for the punter who could have most-easily transitioned to MLB if asked to? Reggie Roby.
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paulksandiego, on 03 Aug 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:
I think Shane Lechler gives Ray Guy a run for the money as the greatest "pure punter" of all time....Tommy Davis was supposed to be pretty darned good too.
Lechler may well be the best punter in pro football history, but a lot of people overlook the fact that Ray Guy has three Super Bowl rings, which is the most of any punter in history. There are nine punters who played on two SB winning teams (Donny Anderson, Larry Seiple, Bobby Walden, Craig Colquitt, Sean Landeta, Barry Helton, John Jett, Tom Rouen and Ken Walter), but only Guy played on three.
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JuggernautJ, on 03 Aug 2014 - 4:56 PM, said:
I loved watching Donnie Anderson as a runner (and receiver) but didn't recall him as a great punter. I'll have to read up on that. Thanks!
From what I've read, Anderson's left-footed punts were usually very high and also had a weird spin which made his punts difficult to judge and nearly impossible to return. Roger Bird's botched return in SB II was probably the big play of the game. Anderson punted 65 times for the Packers in 1967, and gave up a total of 22 return yards on the season. Anderson himself returned 9 punts for 98 yards that season.
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Posted 04 August 2014 - 01:42 PM
I had always assumed that Guy was the greatest punter who ever lived. Reading Dr. Z made me question that argument. Guy's average isn't that impressive. His supporters claim he sacrificed punting yards for hang time. Z dismissed him as a middle of the end zone punter. I haven't done much of a study myself, so I'm not sure.
I do know that his fame was probably responsible for his selection as punter on the Super Bowl silver anniversary team. He really wasn't that special in the Super Bowl, aside from the one handed leaping catch, which ranks up there with the Ricky Sanders fumble-and-recovery on a kickoff as plays that could have swung the tide in an oncoming blowout. But his punting numbers weren't that special. He had a nice high 51 yard boom against Minn, and several good kicks against Wash, but he allied Darrell Green to get his hands in a punt and bring it back 34 yards.
I did note that the only touchback he had was on the leaping grab, which naturally must have thrown off his rhythm. Many punters who manage to corrall a bad snap are lucky bot to shank it. Guy boomed it 42 yards.
Versatile John wondered about Steve Tasker. In the Archives board, underneath Buffalo Bills discussion questions, there was a lengthy discussion about Tasker n the HOF. I loved Tasker, but recall wondering Tasker was really the greatest special teams player who ever lived, or just the most famous special teams player who ever lives. I wonder the same thing about Ray Guy (among punters) and have read the discussion on this board with great interest.
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