Todd Bowles: the next great head coach?

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JWL wrote:. . .the patented weirdo 4th quarter field goal. . .

Jon Gruden would approve. He had the Raiders attempt a 4th quarter field goal with his team trialing 31-3 on Thursday night. There was something on Twitter from a Raiders fan who argued it is better to practice a field goal in a game than do it in practice.
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JWL wrote:
JWL wrote:. . .the patented weirdo 4th quarter field goal. . .

Jon Gruden would approve. He had the Raiders attempt a 4th quarter field goal with his team trialing 31-3 on Thursday night. There was something on Twitter from a Raiders fan who argued it is better to practice a field goal in a game than do it in practice.
In 1995, Bill Belichick did the same thing: sending in the FG unit in the final minute to reduce the losing margin of the soon-to-be 4-9 Browns to 18 in their 31-13 defeat to the Chargers.
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While the Jets do not have the overall talent of teams like the Rams and Saints, the team should not be 3-6 and parading an offense that looks like a 1974 also-ran time travelled to 2018. I understand Bilal Powell was lost for the season a few weeks ago. (Powell is a highly underrated player. He is underrated because the Jets have been allergic to the postseason for his entire NFL career.) Another key contributor, Quincy Enunwa, was out for the Bears game. The quarterback Sam Darnold takes risks by nature and he is a rookie. Risk-taking rookie quarterback missing his two most important teammates on the road with a head coach who doesn't seem to know much about coaching an offense and is no stranger to surrender field goals and surrender punts? Yikes! How did the Jets not get blown out 51-10 by the Bears?

Anyway, that's it. Losing to the Dolphins twice and the crummy Browns? Not good. The team is not showing development this season even though there is talent on the team. 3-6 is not acceptable.

Who is next- Eric Bieniemy, John DeFilippo, or someone else?

It is time for the Jets to enter the present and realize that offense is the name of the game these days. Three of the last four head coaches (Herman Edwards, Rex Ryan, and Bowles) often seemed clueless when it came to coaching the whole team. Edwards would get ultra conservative. He once had the offense backtrack to set up in what area between the hash marks they wanted Doug Brien to kick from in a playoff game in Pittsburgh. Ryan was so out of it in regards to the offense that he once did not even know a key player (Santonio Holmes) was sulking on the sidelines instead of playing. This past Sunday after the game Bowles was more concerned that his defense didn't take the ball away than he was about anything that happened with the offense. The defense played really well and allowed 6 points. The offense directly allowed 7 (interception return for a touchdown). One of the Miami field goals was scored after a Jets turnover, so the offense can take some blame for that score if you like.

As a Jets fan, I can't take it anymore with these one-dimensional head coaches.
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JWL wrote:While the Jets do not have the overall talent of teams like the Rams and Saints, the team should not be 3-6 and parading an offense that looks like a 1974 also-ran time travelled to 2018. I understand Bilal Powell was lost for the season a few weeks ago. (Powell is a highly underrated player. He is underrated because the Jets have been allergic to the postseason for his entire NFL career.) Another key contributor, Quincy Enunwa, was out for the Bears game. The quarterback Sam Darnold takes risks by nature and he is a rookie. Risk-taking rookie quarterback missing his two most important teammates on the road with a head coach who doesn't seem to know much about coaching an offense and is no stranger to surrender field goals and surrender punts? Yikes! How did the Jets not get blown out 51-10 by the Bears?

Anyway, that's it. Losing to the Dolphins twice and the crummy Browns? Not good. The team is not showing development this season even though there is talent on the team. 3-6 is not acceptable.

Who is next- Eric Bieniemy, John DeFilippo, or someone else?

It is time for the Jets to enter the present and realize that offense is the name of the game these days. Three of the last four head coaches (Herman Edwards, Rex Ryan, and Bowles) often seemed clueless when it came to coaching the whole team. Edwards would get ultra conservative. He once had the offense backtrack to set up in what area between the hash marks they wanted Doug Brien to kick from in a playoff game in Pittsburgh. Ryan was so out of it in regards to the offense that he once did not even know a key player (Santonio Holmes) was sulking on the sidelines instead of playing. This past Sunday after the game Bowles was more concerned that his defense didn't take the ball away than he was about anything that happened with the offense. The defense played really well and allowed 6 points. The offense directly allowed 7 (interception return for a touchdown). One of the Miami field goals was scored after a Jets turnover, so the offense can take some blame for that score if you like.

As a Jets fan, I can't take it anymore with these one-dimensional head coaches.
I would prefer a good young offensive mind like Lincoln Riley. But if not someone of his ilk bring me an experienced veteran coach who knows what it takes. Even Fox or Mike Shanahan at their ages. I am just ready for some sort of competence and stability and consistency. Order on both sides of the ball. Mistake free football. For all the guff I gave Herm Edwards, the Jets didn't turn the ball over with him. They did not commit penalties. They knew who they were, they had an identity, Herm had his flaws but he got that team into the playoffs three times. For all of Rex's clownishness he got us to two AFC title games and walked into New England after beating Peyton Manning and beat Tom Brady. These guys are Paul Brown compared to the walking dead Jets under Bowles...unprepared, unmotivated, poor use of personnel, getting out-schemed and beaten by mediocre staffs around the league. The most maddening things.

This is truly intolerable. That 10-5 we had going up until Buffalo in week 17 of 2015 I put all on Chan Gailey and our own little run of Fitzmagic with a competent receiving corps. Even that defense under Bowles underachieved relative to the talent we had

Bowles has mishandled and bungled everything with this team. On the field, poor discipline off the field, locker room issues. He may never have a Kotite era 1-15 meltdown season under his belt, but at this moment in time it feels like the low point of the Kotite era. Yesterday we had 3 holding penalties ON ONE PLAY. We had an offensive tackle score a TD on us. We had a fake punt converted into a 1st against us.
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It's over now. The only question is how many more games Bowles gets to coach. I'll go with four. I don't think the Jets want to risk having an interim coach for six games and have some players mentally check out before we reach December.

Josh McCown at age 39, and never a great quarterback to begin with, being rusty could be used as an excuse, but, well . . . not really because the other team took a guy off the street and made him look like Joe Montana in his prime.
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sheajets wrote: He may never have a Kotite era 1-15 meltdown season under his belt, but at this moment in time it feels like the low point of the Kotite era. Yesterday we had 3 holding penalties ON ONE PLAY. We had an offensive tackle score a TD on us. We had a fake punt converted into a 1st against us.
I texted a friend during the game yesterday and said this game would have fit right in with the three game Kotite stretch when the Jets lost 35-10, 35-10, and 34-10.

Has there ever been a street free agent 4th quarterback who ever had a better game than Matt Barkley did yesterday? Probably not.
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JWL wrote:
sheajets wrote: He may never have a Kotite era 1-15 meltdown season under his belt, but at this moment in time it feels like the low point of the Kotite era. Yesterday we had 3 holding penalties ON ONE PLAY. We had an offensive tackle score a TD on us. We had a fake punt converted into a 1st against us.
I texted a friend during the game yesterday and said this game would have fit right in with the three game Kotite stretch when the Jets lost 35-10, 35-10, and 34-10.
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JWL wrote:
sheajets wrote: He may never have a Kotite era 1-15 meltdown season under his belt, but at this moment in time it feels like the low point of the Kotite era. Yesterday we had 3 holding penalties ON ONE PLAY. We had an offensive tackle score a TD on us. We had a fake punt converted into a 1st against us.
I texted a friend during the game yesterday and said this game would have fit right in with the three game Kotite stretch when the Jets lost 35-10, 35-10, and 34-10.

Has there ever been a street free agent 4th quarterback who ever had a better game than Matt Barkley did yesterday? Probably not.
if it has happened before I'm sure it's happened to the Jets.

Kotite was already known in NFL circles at that time as an ok offensive coordinator but incapable of handling head coaching duties. He was out of his depth and it showed at the end of his Philly run. Leon Hess who was a miserable owner for most of his tenure made a buffoonish move.
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sheajets wrote:Kotite was already known in NFL circles at that time as an ok offensive coordinator but incapable of handling head coaching duties. He was out of his depth and it showed at the end of his Philly run.
Bowles has now proven he is incapable of head coaching duties but is probably a good defensive coordinator. He had success in Arizona. We'll have to see how he rebounds to determine if he is definitely a good coordinator.

I was thrilled when Bowles was hired and was pleased with 2015. Then Week 17 of the 2015 season happened. That season finale was played in 2016 and was a disaster. Then the 2016 season was a disaster. There was reason to fire Bowles at that time. The Jets decided not to do that. Okay. So then 2017 happened and that was considered to be resetting of the team type of season. Bowles seemed a bit better. So then I tried to be logical and practical and as positive as possible and I still had to fight to make a case for him as seen in this thread at various times earlier this calendar year. Bowles has given me no reason to fight anymore. Now the only conclusion one can reach is that Bowles is not the right guy for the job.

This is the Jets second most hideous dead period in team history. The worst was 1970-80. There was also the 1960-67 period of no playoff appearances. There was no built-up fan angst in the 1960s, though, and by 1965 the team was building and had some exciting players. This 2016-18 mess has featured simply dreadful football. The offense is non-creative, uninspired, and lifeless for the most part. The only excitement was some of the deep passes Josh McCown threw to Robby Anderson in 2017.
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Todd Bowles is an incompetent blithering idiot

13-32 over his last 45 games.

Mike McCarthy has been fired. I don't understand how Bowles is still here
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