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pgconboy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 28, 2025 11:45 pm
Can see that Lester Hayes is truly in a penalty tier of his own.

And that is confirmed by watching old games. Dude was grabby. One voter is pretty upset he didn't make the 34...
noted it was first-time he didn't advance in his years as a senior.

I think that sort of begs the question, if someone hangs around in contention for ages and can never crack through that it might be time to look in different directions.

pgconboy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:26 pm I think that sort of begs the question, if someone hangs around in contention for ages and can never crack through that it might be time to look in different directions.

In my opinion if player A is given a couple shots on the Senior Committee and doesn’t get in, then someone else should be given a chance, and I wouldn’t bring up Player A again until the committee that would vote on him has changed significantly from last time he was up.

How often does who gets to vote for Hall of Famers on the Senior Committee change out of curiosity?

In a different but recent thread, Ken noted this year was a huge shakeup across the 3 committees

Edit, I take it back it was earlier in this one:

"Keep in mind that this year, the makeups of the three committees are different, so you will see different results. The hall randomly picked half of the main committee and spread them out over the three committees. The remaining half will be on the committees next year.

For example, John McLain and I are the only members of the Contributors committee remaining from last year. Everyone else is new."

Parcells: “He’s certainly one of the better outside linebackers I’ve ever seen. I saw him up close. I think he compares favorably with many of the guys who are currently in the Hall of Fame. He’s been unfairly overlooked. Carl was overlooked because you’re talking about arguably one of the greatest defensive players who ever played is playing opposite you. People had a tendency to watch that guy. He wasn’t the dynamic explosive guy that Lawrence Taylor was. He was more of a methodical grinder that you had to block. If you didn’t block him, he was going to be a very disruptive force in the game.”


"better" "Favorablke" not the dynamic exposive, the methodicalgrinder"


Just a question is that HOF? orv HOVG?


there are more quoete out there that are more effusive, but thought that was kind of honest by Parcells. Didn't oversell.

Thats the problem with the Giants linebackers. You already have Taylor and Carson elected. Banks was good, but is light on accolades, like Brad Van Pelt. Reasons is more underrated, like Brian Kelly. I think even Carson was borderline but had a great reputation on short yardage play and his second team All-Pro selections.