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Re: 51-60, released
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:30 pm
by Bryan
JohnTurney wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:31 pm
JohnTurney wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:26 pm
52 - David Diehl
60 - Jumbo Elliott
I'd have ranked Elliott higher than Diehl. I know the "alls" and everything but Elliott played LT in era when it mattered and was super hard to get past some of the top 3-4 guys.
Diehl more versatile --- I guess.
But I always thought Elliott a pretty good second-tier LT. I didn't think that about Diehl.
I agree. Elliott was a mauler who you could run your offense through. Diehl was a good, consistent player, like Brian Kelly, but not really a special talent.
Ottis Anderson at 51 is pretty incredible. 2841 yards from scrimmage, 3.2 yards per carry in 7 seasons. That might be impressive if Anderson played for the Giants in the 1930's. Not really getting it. If you look at Anderson's per season average numbers with NYG:
325 rushing yards, 3.2 YPC and 5 TDs, 81 receiving yards, 7.4 YPC and 0 TDs
Re: Giants doing top 100 players ... have released 91-100
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:33 pm
by Brian wolf
Nothing like a punter getting ranked ahead of a good, tough player in Landry, who became a great Giants coach. Disrespect if you ask me. Coaching should be an extension of the player in respect to team history. Maybe it's truly about just the players, which I understand but doesn't do a team's history, justice.
Anderson was a great player for the Cardinals, not the Giants. He is remembered for post-season play and shouldn't be ahead of Owen or Landry either. Owen has the same argument as Landry and head-coached champion teams.
Re: Giants doing top 100 players ... have released 91-100
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:50 pm
by JohnTurney
sometimes these experts miss the boat like the panel of people picking the Giants Top 100
Once had experience --Can't say who, but had to identify which HOF OLBers were not "edge" rushers -- for a HOF voter. But to not know what position Dave Wilcox, Chris Hanburger, Jack Ham, etc played and hos it;s different from Tippet, R. Jackson, LT, etc
sometimes you have to shake your head.
Re: Giants doing top 100 players ... have released 91-100
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:13 pm
by Bryan
Brian wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:33 pm
Anderson was a great player for the Cardinals, not the Giants. He is remembered for post-season play and shouldn't be ahead of Owen or Landry either.
To kind of show how big 'postseason play' was with Anderson, he played in 83 regular season games with the Giants and had 1 100-yard rushing game, which was a 101-yard effort against the Skins in 1989.
Re: Giants doing top 100 players ... have released 91-100
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 12:24 am
by rewing84
Brian wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:33 pm
Nothing like a punter getting ranked ahead of a good, tough player in Landry, who became a great Giants coach. Disrespect if you ask me. Coaching should be an extension of the player in respect to team history. Maybe it's truly about just the players, which I understand but doesn't do a team's history, justice.
Anderson was a great player for the Cardinals, not the Giants. He is remembered for post-season play and shouldn't be ahead of Owen or Landry either. Owen has the same argument as Landry and head-coached champion teams.
Agreed 100% Owen and Landry contributed more to giants history than Anderson ever did.
Re: 51-60, released
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:50 am
by JuggernautJ
Bryan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:30 pm
I agree. Elliott was a mauler who you could run your offense through. Diehl was a good, consistent player, like Brian Kelly, but not really a special talent.
Ottis Anderson at 51 is pretty incredible. 2841 yards from scrimmage, 3.2 yards per carry in 7 seasons. That might be impressive if Anderson played for the Giants in the 1930's. Not really getting it. If you look at Anderson's per season average numbers with NYG:
325 rushing yards, 3.2 YPC and 5 TDs, 81 receiving yards, 7.4 YPC and 0 TDs
Not that I agree with the reasoning but I would think Anderson's Super Bowl XXV MVP has a lot to do with his position on this list.
Re: 51-60, released
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:35 am
by Bryan
JuggernautJ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:50 am
Not that I agree with the reasoning but I would think Anderson's Super Bowl XXV MVP has a lot to do with his position on this list.
That's true, and perhaps it had like 90% to do with his position. But...I daresay that Jeff Hostetler was probably more deserving of the MVP in retrospect. It might not look like much statistically, but that was an incredible clutch performance as an underdog backup QB.
Re: Giants doing top 100 players ... have released 91-100
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:39 pm
by pgconboy
New 10 today:
41 - Bart Oates
42 - Pete Gogolak
43 - Bob Tucker
44 - Jack Stroud
45 - Rodney Hampton
46 - Plaxico Burress
47 - Sean Landeta
48 - Jeremy Shockey
49 - Spider Lockhart
50 - Ray Flaherty
Re: Giants doing top 100 players ... have released 91-100
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:22 pm
by Halas Hall
Thank you for posting. I think Oates and Landeta both won two rings with the Giants and two in the USFL. Oates got one more with the 1994 49ers.
Re: Giants doing top 100 players ... have released 91-100
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:38 pm
by JohnTurney
Plaxico --- 4 years with Giants --- very good ones ... interesting to see some of the ones behind him ... I'd have Spider and Shickey ahead of him, just in that group