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sluggermatt15 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 23, 2025 6:40 pmSpecial teams isn't a "position". Tasker should be listed as a wide receiver, which is what he was.
My guess is different makeup of the committee. They have not met in person yet, so it is tough to say unless the voters mention why they voted the way they did in the cutdown votes.Brian wolf wrote: ↑Fri Oct 24, 2025 10:25 am Thanks Ken ... in a nutshell, any word on why Lester Hayes was dropped, or just different member, subjectivity?
Do some of the voters hold stickum against Hayes?Ken Crippen wrote: ↑Fri Oct 24, 2025 2:40 pmMy guess is different makeup of the committee. They have not met in person yet, so it is tough to say unless the voters mention why they voted the way they did in the cutdown votes.Brian wolf wrote: ↑Fri Oct 24, 2025 10:25 am Thanks Ken ... in a nutshell, any word on why Lester Hayes was dropped, or just different member, subjectivity?
And that's sort of the problem - I've charted ~20% of his career games and he really is very borderline. Is there another player ever who's reputation is so largely colored by a single monster season? And by '85 and '86 he's legitimately fat and really is a liability in coverage. AP1 - once (+DPOY), AP2 - once, PB - five times. Honestly, of DPOY winners he's up there as having the worst overall career.
appreciate the information nwebster i have him as borderline tooNWebster wrote: ↑Sat Oct 25, 2025 3:14 pmAnd that's sort of the problem - I've charted ~20% of his career games and he really is very borderline. Is there another player ever who's reputation is so largely colored by a single monster season? And by '85 and '86 he's legitimately fat and really is a liability in coverage. AP1 - once (+DPOY), AP2 - once, PB - five times. Honestly, of DPOY winners he's up there as having the worst overall career.
DPOY winners who had better careers: Page, Greene, Blount, Lambert, Martin, Gradishar, Selmon, LT, Easley, Singletary, Reggie, Bruce, Swilling, Kennedy, Rod Woodson, Deion, Sapp, Ray Lewis, Strahan, Derrick Brooks, Ed Reed, Urlacher, Jason Taylor, James Harrison, Charles Woodson, Polamalu, Suggs, JJ, Kuechley, Mack, Donald, TJ, Nick Bosa, Myles Garrett
DPOY Winners who were similar: Dick Anderson, Keith Millard, Bryce Paup, Dana Stubblfield, Bob Sanders, Stephon Gilmore
DPOY winners with worse careers: Doug Betters??
Too recent to rate: Surtain II
And all that said - he was a VERY fun player to watch just because he was so different.
I always thought that in 1980 the desxerving DPOY was Lester's teammate Ted Hendricks. I remember that the previous year many considered Hendricks washed up, but he had a monster year, being all over the field, guiding the Raiders to Super Bowl XV victory.NWebster wrote: ↑Sat Oct 25, 2025 3:14 pmAnd that's sort of the problem - I've charted ~20% of his career games and he really is very borderline. Is there another player ever who's reputation is so largely colored by a single monster season? And by '85 and '86 he's legitimately fat and really is a liability in coverage. AP1 - once (+DPOY), AP2 - once, PB - five times. Honestly, of DPOY winners he's up there as having the worst overall career.
DPOY winners who had better careers: Page, Greene, Blount, Lambert, Martin, Gradishar, Selmon, LT, Easley, Singletary, Reggie, Bruce, Swilling, Kennedy, Rod Woodson, Deion, Sapp, Ray Lewis, Strahan, Derrick Brooks, Ed Reed, Urlacher, Jason Taylor, James Harrison, Charles Woodson, Polamalu, Suggs, JJ, Kuechley, Mack, Donald, TJ, Nick Bosa, Myles Garrett
DPOY Winners who were similar: Dick Anderson, Keith Millard, Bryce Paup, Dana Stubblfield, Bob Sanders, Stephon Gilmore
DPOY winners with worse careers: Doug Betters??
Too recent to rate: Surtain II
And all that said - he was a VERY fun player to watch just because he was so different.