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sluggermatt15 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:30 am

74_75_78_79_ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:56 pm Thanks for the (100%) compliment!

The Coughlin endorsement is still taking over me (still blinking). It's just a simple me thinking (JMO) that Parker & Arnsparger are even better candidates. That's all.

But DO get Coughlin in there! Make it three! I don't disrespect Eli. But he getting in could only be for the obvious reasons and the obvious reasons only - he was the QB in two SB wins against Belichick/Brady, he played in a big market franchise, he's a...Manning! Sadly, and again no disrespect, but that's IT (HOVG? zero argument).

A Gene Tunney (beat Dempsey twice) Eli is but his HC even more-so! If Gene is in the World Boxing Hall of Fame, then WHY NOT Coughlin in Canton?? And he shouldn't have to wait so many decades later as post-humous Gene did (he not getting in until 1980). No, get Coughlin in now along with Parker & Arnsparger!

Look at his career outside of the two Super Bowl wins, and there is not a lot of impressive characteristics. He was never an all-pro, never among the best of his era. The only category he led the league in was interceptions (three times; '07, '10, '13). His career record as a starter was .500. Other than his name and family association and the two SB seasons, why should he be inducted?

That's exactly why I think eli doesn't get in right away

I don't know that Holmgren is helped by his Seattle tenure. Yeah, he made one SB (a loss) but he was there for 10 years. Plus he had a great situation in GB, arguably should have made more SBs but he quit on that team for more power in Seattle. By all reports he was nothing special in the front office too. I think that tends to hurt his candidacy.

Jay Z wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:49 pm I don't know that Holmgren is helped by his Seattle tenure. Yeah, he made one SB (a loss) but he was there for 10 years. Plus he had a great situation in GB, arguably should have made more SBs but he quit on that team for more power in Seattle. By all reports he was nothing special in the front office too. I think that tends to hurt his candidacy.

I was thinking the same thing does Holmgrens time in the front office esp his Cleveland tenure hurt him

Jay Z wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:49 pm I don't know that Holmgren is helped by his Seattle tenure. Yeah, he made one SB (a loss) but he was there for 10 years. Plus he had a great situation in GB, arguably should have made more SBs but he quit on that team for more power in Seattle. By all reports he was nothing special in the front office too. I think that tends to hurt his candidacy.

To each their own. I'm the exact opposite on his time in Seattle. The Seahawks missed the playoffs for 10 straight seasons before Holmgren arrived. They won their division his first year (admittedly a weak champ at 9-7), missed the playoffs for three years (though with a 9-7 season) and then went to the playoffs five straight seasons, including four straight division titles and the Super Bowl appearance.

All of the best players on the '05 Seahawks with the exception of Walter Jones — and obviously that's a huge exception — arrived under Holmgren, including Hutchinson, Alexander, Hasselbeck, Tatupu, Wistrom, Tobeck, Trufant, Boulware and their entire receiving corps. They didn't all arrive when he was GM, but it's fair to say that he built that team as much if not more than Dungy's Bucs or Coughlin's Jaguars.