Re: Browns Steelers fight
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:00 pm
Oh and by the way Garrett would have gotten less of a suspension if he beat a woman. So think about that.
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Mason Rudolph will be fined (but not suspended) for his part in the Thursday Night Fight.JKelly wrote:Quick question doesn't Rudolph have some blame? If he just got up none of this would have happened. Granted Garrett's reaction was way out of line but I find it humorous how Rudolph is coming of as a cherub.
Seriously? A roundhouse swing of the helmet onto another person's head is not "assault"? It was intent to injure and in no way within the spirit of competition or acceptable violence of a gridiron contest.Reaser wrote:Yup, I watched the game so saw it as it happened, my general reaction was a subdued "well, he's going to get suspended for that" and already started to get annoyed in advance of the non-stop coverage of it I knew was coming. Didn't even take a minute after the game ended until I saw media saying "assault", and "he could have killed him" (my note: he's alive, no one died), and a lot of the self-righteous "I shouldn't have to see that" all about themselves nonsense and all the typical modern society reaction you would expect that's completely over-the-top.Jeremy Crowhurst wrote:When I read the account of it, I was expecting to see blood pouring out of every one of Rudolph's orifices. But when you see it, the helmet bounces off his head and he's up like the Energizer Bunny, immediately yelling for a flag.
"Can't do that, should be [and was] suspended." - A reasonable reaction.
Definitely not that worst "helmet rip off" I've ever seen in the NFL, not the first time I've seen a helmet swung and helmetless player hit with his own helmet in the NFL, not even close to the worst fight(s) I've seen in the NFL, have seen helmets thrown at opponents, and so on. Plus it's arguably more common in practice/training camp to rip off and swing helmets at eachother. Remember reading stories about it a handful of times and I've seen it in-person if you start including all levels of football.
Ripping off helmet and swinging it has happened in college football, too. In games and in practice/camp. And, it's happened in HS football before, too and actually probably the worst 'contact' on a swung helmet to head, or even all of the top-3 worst I've seen all happened in HS. It's not something new or that's never happened before or as media people have said "Nothing like this has ever happened before" (yes it has) or "this is the worst thing that's ever happened on a football field" (people have literally died on football fields) so the coverage/hyperbole that I instantly knew was coming was the reaction, for me.
He couldn't get up because Garrett was on top of him. If Rudolph pushed back or grabbed Garrett's helmet, it was in self defense.JKelly wrote:Quick question doesn't Rudolph have some blame? If he just got up none of this would have happened. Granted Garrett's reaction was way out of line but I find it humorous how Rudolph is coming of as a cherub.
I think that all the suspensions were warranted but again if he doesn't try to play tough guy we are discussing how bad the Steelers offense is (granted because of injuries) not a fight.
Not sure what you're asking since I am failing to see where I said it was not an "assault"?JeffreyMiller wrote:Seriously? A roundhouse swing of the helmet onto another person's head is not "assault"? It was intent to injure and in no way within the spirit of competition or acceptable violence of a gridiron contest.
No worries, was in quotes because it was said by someone in the media so I was quoting them. And the context it was said in was part of the larger overall picture of the predictable and in my opinion, overly dramatic and hyperbolic response that I felt was coming and did in fact happen as I imagined.JeffreyMiller wrote:Sorry if I inferred wrongly when you put the word assault in quote marks .... seemed like you were questioning the use of that word. No?
I agree pushing a guy off could be considered self defense but not trying to rip off Garrett’s helmet. That was the spark.JeffreyMiller wrote:He couldn't get up because Garrett was on top of him. If Rudolph pushed back or grabbed Garrett's helmet, it was in self defense.JKelly wrote:Quick question doesn't Rudolph have some blame? If he just got up none of this would have happened. Granted Garrett's reaction was way out of line but I find it humorous how Rudolph is coming of as a cherub.
I think that all the suspensions were warranted but again if he doesn't try to play tough guy we are discussing how bad the Steelers offense is (granted because of injuries) not a fight.