When did Tom Brady ‘clinch’ GOAT at his position?
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bachslunch
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Re: When did Tom Brady ‘clinch’ GOAT at his position?
Agree with Jeffrey Miller here. I have Brady in a group of six with Graham, Baugh, Unitas, Montana, and P. Manning as the best QBs of all time, but I don’t differentiate further.
Re: When did Tom Brady ‘clinch’ GOAT at his position?
Similar feeling here. In fact, I have Brady and Graham in the same category because we'll never know where the talented QB starts and where the brilliant mentor ends.bachslunch wrote:I have Brady in a group of six with Graham, Baugh, Unitas, Montana, and P. Manning as the best QBs of all time, but I don’t differentiate further.
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JuggernautJ
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Re: When did Tom Brady ‘clinch’ GOAT at his position?
Likewise.Citizen wrote:Similar feeling here. In fact, I have Brady and Graham in the same category because we'll never know where the talented QB starts and where the brilliant mentor ends.bachslunch wrote:I have Brady in a group of six with Graham, Baugh, Unitas, Montana, and P. Manning as the best QBs of all time, but I don’t differentiate further.
First tier: Montana, Brady, Graham
Second tier: Unitas, Baugh
Third tier: Manning, Marino, etc (too numerous to name, don't want to forget someone off the top of my head)
Re: When did Tom Brady ‘clinch’ GOAT at his position?
This is also my Mt. Rushmore.bachslunch wrote:Agree with Jeffrey Miller here. I have Brady in a group of six with Graham, Baugh, Unitas, Montana, and P. Manning as the best QBs of all time, but I don’t differentiate further.
The next level includes Luckman, Starr, Tarkenton, Staubach, Elway, Marino, Favre and possibly some others like Tittle, Jurgensen, Bradshaw, Young and Roethlisberger.
Edit: I forgot Rodgers in the second level. I’m a Vikings fan. What can I say?
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Re: When did Tom Brady ‘clinch’ GOAT at his position?
Brady has had the greatest career of all time, but I can understand why he is just placed in the first tier of QB's, instead of being singled out for #1. His six Super Bowls are impossible to ignore, and is due to his playing at an unprecedented high level into his early 40's. Now, part of the reason Brady has been able to do so is he maintains a strict disciplined schedule, diet, and workout regime. He also has maintained a love for the game and the work that it takes. Joe Montana wrote of his final season that football was beginning to feel like a job, and while he loved Sundays, he grew to dread the meetings, and the practices. If he had returned in 1995, his heart wouldn't have been in it.
But you can also attribute Brady's longevity to the advances in medicine, science, and nutrition, as well as the rule changes that protect quarterbacks and their receivers. Montana also wrote that his his lingering injuries also contributed to his dimmed love for the game in 1994. Brady couldnt have made it this long without a deep commitment, on Saturday nights and Tuesday mornings, as well as Sundays. But he also couldn't have made it this long if he had been subject to the same type of punishment that Montana, Unitas, etc. endured.
Of course, taking it a step further, if JJ Watt and Von Miller were allowed to hit quarterbacks like Reggie White and LT did, there would have been some serious and permanent injuries.
But you can also attribute Brady's longevity to the advances in medicine, science, and nutrition, as well as the rule changes that protect quarterbacks and their receivers. Montana also wrote that his his lingering injuries also contributed to his dimmed love for the game in 1994. Brady couldnt have made it this long without a deep commitment, on Saturday nights and Tuesday mornings, as well as Sundays. But he also couldn't have made it this long if he had been subject to the same type of punishment that Montana, Unitas, etc. endured.
Of course, taking it a step further, if JJ Watt and Von Miller were allowed to hit quarterbacks like Reggie White and LT did, there would have been some serious and permanent injuries.
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Re: When did Tom Brady ‘clinch’ GOAT at his position?
Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems to me that QBs are still getting injured as often as they ever have. The current rules are often given a great deal of credit for Brady’s prolonged career, general good health, and sustained excellence, but those same rules aren’t helping a lot of his peers. It could be that Brady’s longevity is a result of one or more of the following; he’s a sturdily built individual, he knows how to “roll” with a hit, he knows when to give himself up, he’s been lucky (other than in 2008).
Re: When did Tom Brady ‘clinch’ GOAT at his position?
It isn't just about games lost due to injury; it's mostly due to the years of hits and minor injuries having a cumulative effect. Montana and Unitas were both hobbled by elbow injuries at the end of their careers. Jim Kelly had a severe dropoff in his final season; after five knee injuries, Kelly's legs were all but gone, and that affected his accuracy.JohnH19 wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems to me that QBs are still getting injured as often as they ever have. The current rules are often given a great deal of credit for Brady’s prolonged career, general good health, and sustained excellence, but those same rules aren’t helping a lot of his peers. It could be that Brady’s longevity is a result of one or more of the following; he’s a sturdily built individual, he knows how to “roll” with a hit, he knows when to give himself up, he’s been lucky (other than in 2008).
In 2019, there were seven opening day starting QB's aged 37 or higher. 6 are potential HOF'ers (all but Ryan Fitzpatrick), and 5 were still playing at a high level: Brees, Big Ben, (before their injuries), Rodgers, and Brady.