Professional Football Researchers Association Forum

JohnTurney wrote:http://www.footballperspective.com/robe ... e-nominee/

I agree that Brazile is an 'odd' choice given the PFHOF's track record, but I don't really agree with the "this defense had X many of HOFers, they should be better" line of thinking. IMO, that's very similar to "this team won X many titles, so they need X many HOFers". In Brazile's case, if you are counting him amongst the HOFers on those Oilers teams, then you have three guys who are all borderline (IMO) HOF selections in Culp, Bethea & Brazile, discounting that the other defensive spots are manned by odds-and-ends guys like Mike Reinfeldt, Teddy Washington, Andy Dorris, etc., and then half-expecting the Oiler teams to perform better defensively than Pittsburgh, Dallas, LA.

To me, if you are going to do this exercise with Brazile, then you should really be looking at Culp. In addition to Houston's underperforming defense, he was part of a KC defense that had 5 HOFers (and possibly a 6th with Johnny Robinson), and from 1970-1974 you have Pts/Yds rankings of 8/6, 5/7, 13/15, 5/7, 21/25 with only a lone divisional playoff loss.

Does anyone know who finished runner up to Brazile and Kramer?

HBGFBFAN wrote:Does anyone know who finished runner up to Brazile and Kramer?

not exactly sure, but Ken Riley, Howley and Cliff Branch had strong support.

JohnTurney wrote:

HBGFBFAN wrote:Does anyone know who finished runner up to Brazile and Kramer?

not exactly sure, but Ken Riley, Howley and Cliff Branch had strong support.

Great to hear about Chuck Howley, and am also fine with Cliff Branch (though I prefer Billy Howton, Harold Jackson, Del Shofner, or Mac Speedie among available WRs).

But stinks to have Ken Riley see support. Not convinced he was even the biggest CB snub on his own team (Lemar Parrish anyone?) and he has awful postseason honors. Someone over there sure seems determined to get in as many of the lifetime INT leaders (Dick LeBeau, Emmitt Thomas) as possible, no matter what else their argument may be. Both Parrish and Ken Anderson strike me as far better Bengals Senior options.