Ruining the Game?

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Also a longtime believer that there doesn't need to be regular season OT and that ties are perfectly acceptable. Also, if there is OT it should be sudden death - the win coin toss, kick FG and win didn't happen nearly as often as people made it out. Especially not as often as the lying and manipulated percentages Rich McKay presented at the presser when the NFL was pushing through the then new non-sudden death OT rules.

As for celebrations. I was always bothered that they didn't allow team celebrations after TD's. That's a good change, I guess.

Otherwise I think most TD celebrations are stupid but they don't bother me nearly as much as non-TD celebrations. Such as sacks, go wild about a first down sack as if it is the play of the year then on 2nd down the offense gets a 1st down anyway rendering the sack completely meaningless. Or the other side, get a first down and WR celebrates like it's the equivalent of a TD then the same series drops a 3rd down pass and team has to punt.

NFL, majority of fans, and the officials definitely don't have the capacity to use discretion/judgement on something like this but I always wish the officials had the ability to throw a flag when someone celebrates a sack when they're team is losing by 20. Or if someone does a TD dance while their team is trailing 31-7 with a minute to play. Everytime I see a S celebrate a tackle/hit 20 yards downfield while his team is losing I wish there was a mechanism to penalize him for sheer stupidity.

If I was in charge, all those things would be flag, fine, and multi-game suspension for being an idiot. That should be the penalty. It's less about celebrations and more about stupidity, in my opinion.
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In 1973, four teams (Broncos, Chiefs, Packers and Browns) had multiple ties among the seven that year. The following April, OT was voted in.
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Reaser wrote:If I was in charge, all those things would be flag, fine, and multi-game suspension for being an idiot. That should be the penalty. It's less about celebrations and more about stupidity, in my opinion.
Actually and as opined previously, If I were in charge all celebrations would be legal.
Followed by a 30 second period in which no penalties would be called against the opposition for policing the celebration.
Spike the ball in my face? Show me up in front of millions?
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JuggernautJ wrote:Actually and as opined previously, If I were in charge all celebrations would be legal.
Followed by a 30 second period in which no penalties would be called against the opposition for policing the celebration.
Spike the ball in my face? Show me up in front of millions?
No problem. Here's what my team and I think of that...

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A vastly superior way of handling it. Though, in today's society a much less realistic option. Letting players police themselves, as it should be. As opposed to oversight and officiated.

That's something I like about football the further you go back. Players could police themselves, to an extent.

At least there's still fighting in hockey. Though I have no doubts if the NHL was as popular as the NFL that fighting would be outlawed - along with checking, probably even slap-shots too because you don't want anyone to get hurt . . . - and hockey would be a much more sterilized sport.
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Reaser wrote: That's something I like about football the further you go back. Players could police themselves, to an extent.
Was George Teague taking out T.O. on the Dallas Star the last such (obvious) instance of "policing?"
I wonder who would be fined the most/what would happen if that occurred nowadays?
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As far as policing fans, there's James Harrison body-slamming the drunken Browns fan on Christmas Eve 2005, and of course, Mike Curtis knocking the crap out the fan who tried to steal the ball in the Dolphins game in Baltimore in 1971.
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JuggernautJ wrote:
Reaser wrote: That's something I like about football the further you go back. Players could police themselves, to an extent.
Was George Teague taking out T.O. on the Dallas Star the last such (obvious) instance of "policing?"
I wonder who would be fined the most/what would happen if that occurred nowadays?
I remember about ten years back when Joey Porter and some members of his "posse", if you will, came upon Levi Jones of the Bengals in the middle of a Las Vegas Casino and they beat up Jones at a Blackjack table. I'm sure that had to do with some on-field issues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwgniB0e_VE
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Rupert Patrick wrote:I remember about ten years back when Joey Porter and some members of his "posse", if you will, came upon Levi Jones of the Bengals in the middle of a Las Vegas Casino and they beat up Jones at a Blackjack table. I'm sure that had to do with some on-field issues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwgniB0e_VE
Speaking of off-the-field fights between players, there's this embarrassing one between RETIRED CFL players Joe Kapp and Angelo Mosca from 2011:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyoEcbk3EP0
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Kapp was still pissed off at Mosca for his late hit on Willie Fleming early in the 1963 Grey Cup game. Hamilton won that one 21-10 but BC got revenge the next year by a score of 34-24.
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JohnH19 wrote:I like tie games for the variety they bring to the standings so I'm all for the shortening of the OT period. Other than that, I hate everything.
I'm not sure that shortening overtime under the current setup is good.

Because of the whining we have a current OT setup where each team needs a possession. Let's suppose the Vikings are in Green Bay in November. The score is 12-12 entering overtime. Yards and points have been hard to come by because the weather is bad. The Packers receive the ball and run, run, run and kick a field goal with 1:30 remaining in overtime. Now the Vikings get the ball and have very limited time to do something. There will be a lot of whining the next few days about how the system is still not fair.

I hope one day the league figures out an overtime system that will end the whining.

How about the opening coin toss decides everything? Four choices. Each team picks two and it is a serpentine little draft thingy.
who receives opening kickoff
who receives second half kickoff
who receives the possible overtime kickoff
what end zone to defend to start the game

Maybe it could be that a team cannot chose to receive both regulation kickoffs.

Also, overtime goes back to being sudden death.

Vikings vs Packers. Vikings win toss.
1. Vikings elect to receive the possible overtime kickoff.
2. Packers elect to receive the second half kickoff.
3. Packers elect to defend north end zone.
4. Vikings, therefore, receive the opening kickoff.

Just an idea. Fire away if my idea is awful.
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