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Rupert Patrick wrote: It is the five other games, the Dallas game and the games against Washington and New York and the two St. Louis games, that I would beinterested in getting the gamebooks for.

I am looking for the same five...well, I didn't ask for the gamebooks I asked that they find the touchbacks by going through the gamebooks. Actually I need both Washington games. So, I need 6, what Jon told be is he will get to it when he can, in order of the request. If he does happen to scan those gamebooks, I will send them to you and also to Ken, so he can post them. But I just don't know how it will be handled. But I can surely let you know what happens.

Also, FWIS PFR http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... elog/1961/ shows Tom Tracy missed a field goal in game 2 versus giants however they do not show which game Green perhaps attemped a field goal. But you likely already had that info

Rupert Patrick wrote: 10/15 vs. Washington - 47 yards

The AP story mentions that Michaels "missed a 40-yard field goal attempt early in the first period" of this gane, but doesn't mention the 47-yarder. I'm not sure if that means there's a typo for either the gamebook or story.

BD Sullivan wrote:

Rupert Patrick wrote: 10/15 vs. Washington - 47 yards

The AP story mentions that Michaels "missed a 40-yard field goal attempt early in the first period" of this gane, but doesn't mention the 47-yarder. I'm not sure if that means there's a typo for either the gamebook or story.

Often in stories about missed kicks they will list the point where the drive was stopped and the ball was snapped for the attempt and list that as the distance of the FG attempt; I've run across those all the time. Whomever wrote the story didn't have a gamebook handy or they misread the information and saw that the drive was halted at the 40 and thought it was a 40-yard FG try. The ball was snapped from the 40-yard line but was actually a 47-yard attempt. As field goals are often kicked from seven or eight yards behind the line of scrimmage, when reviewing different accounts of the game and looking for missed field goals you sometimes get differing figures , one of which is seven yards higher than the other figure. In those cases, always take the one that is seven yards higher. A number of my missed FG distances that I have gotten out of newspapers are seven yards short for this reason, but I also read as many different accounts of the game as I can find to try to keep the number of these errors at a minimum. For the 1961 games where I did not have a gamebook I used the Pittsburgh papers, which were pretty accurate and thorough in listing missed field goals distances both in the text of the stories and also in the game summary section.

JohnTurney wrote:

Rupert Patrick wrote: It is the five other games, the Dallas game and the games against Washington and New York and the two St. Louis games, that I would beinterested in getting the gamebooks for.

I am looking for the same five...well, I didn't ask for the gamebooks I asked that they find the touchbacks by going through the gamebooks. Actually I need both Washington games. So, I need 6, what Jon told be is he will get to it when he can, in order of the request. If he does happen to scan those gamebooks, I will send them to you and also to Ken, so he can post them. But I just don't know how it will be handled. But I can surely let you know what happens.

Also, FWIS PFR http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... elog/1961/ shows Tom Tracy missed a field goal in game 2 versus giants however they do not show which game Green perhaps attemped a field goal. But you likely already had that info

I already had the miss by Tracy; it was a miss of 41 yards.