Professional Football Researchers Association Forum

Wendell02 wrote:

Rupert Patrick wrote:

TodMaher wrote:What source do you use for Minneapolis/St. Paul?

I'm looking for missed FG distances, and the Vikings media guides have been pretty good about documenting the missed FG distances. According to my records I am missing one missed FG for the Vikings and three for the Vikings opponents so it's not a whole lot. But I do think it would be good to have a source for the Vikings games.

And San Francisco I'm not so worried about because the Oakland Tribune is a good source for info on the 49er's, even after the Raiders came to town.

Rupert,
Which ones are you missing? Maybe someone can assist.

In 1961 Mike Mercer of Minnesota missed a FG in Week 8 against the Rams (11/3) of unknown distance.
In 1962 Dick Bielski of Baltimore missed a FG in Week 14 against the Vikings (12/16) of unknown distance.
In 1964 Roger LeClerc of Chicago missed 3 FG's in Week 2 against the Vikings (9/20). Two of them were from 21 and 31 yards, the third miss was of unknown distance.

In 1969 it is a little bit trickier, because I have the Bears offense and Vikings defense with one extra FG miss than the final statistics say they should have. The problem is either with a 40-yard miss by the Bears (which was blocked) in Week 4 when the two teams met that I have wrong, or it could be an 18-yard miss by the Bears in Week 7 when the two teams met that I have wrong. The third option is that the final league statistics are wrong and both misses are actually correct.

luckyshow wrote:The Baltimore Sun one has prices. That gets costly, depending on what you are researching and wouldn't allow just looking around as it would add up....

Not if you go through the Baltimore Public Library. It's free and you get the historical Baltimore Sun.

mwald wrote:

luckyshow wrote:The Baltimore Sun one has prices. That gets costly, depending on what you are researching and wouldn't allow just looking around as it would add up....

Not if you go through the Baltimore Public Library. It's free and you get the historical Baltimore Sun.

It's an annual fifty dollar fee for an out of state Baltimore Public Library card. The rule was changed in 2010.

http://www.bcpl.info/services-policies/ ... brary-card

This would be much cheaper than paying the Baltimore Sun or Proquest two dollars per search, since I would have all my research done within a year and wold not need to renew.

For the Cleveland Rams, I bought a one month pass to the Cleveland Plain Dealer archives for twenty dollars, which got me all the views I needed on the Rams games. I emailed the webmasters at the PD and suggested making the Rams game databases available to the public as they did the Browns, and they felt there wasn't much of a public interest in that.

Rupert Patrick wrote:

mwald wrote:

luckyshow wrote:The Baltimore Sun one has prices. That gets costly, depending on what you are researching and wouldn't allow just looking around as it would add up....

Not if you go through the Baltimore Public Library. It's free and you get the historical Baltimore Sun.

It's an annual fifty dollar fee for an out of state Baltimore Public Library card. The rule was changed in 2010.

http://www.bcpl.info/services-policies/ ... brary-card

This would be much cheaper than paying the Baltimore Sun or Proquest two dollars per search, since I would have all my research done within a year and wold not need to renew.

For the Cleveland Rams, I bought a one month pass to the Cleveland Plain Dealer archives for twenty dollars, which got me all the views I needed on the Rams games. I emailed the webmasters at the PD and suggested making the Rams game databases available to the public as they did the Browns, and they felt there wasn't much of a public interest in that.

Sorry to hear that. They must've instituted the fee after I registered. As you said, though, $50 isn't bad for a year of access.

Hey, if you end up having no luck with the Viking games let me know and I can see what the Mpls Star says about those FGs.

Is it just me, or do the links at the Browns historical website for the individual game article seem to no longer be working?

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/in ... and_g.html

Rupert Patrick wrote:Is it just me, or do the links at the Browns historical website for the individual game article seem to no longer be working?

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/in ... and_g.html

Nope, it's not just you.

Decent database, but always wished it had more than just the day-after game summaries. The good stuff in local newspapers is the beat writer material mid-week and leading up to the game.

By the way, just noticed that MCPL's search tool for ProQuest Historical has a completely new format.

Just when you get used to something.

www.newspapers.com has been adding complete runs for some newspapers from NFL cities in the past few weeks. Yes, they are each $7.95/month. But still bargain compared to ProQuest or interlibrary loans.

Cincinnati Enquirer - http://cincinnati.newspapers.com
Detroit Free Press - http://freep.newspapers.com
Indianapolis Star - http://indystar.newspapers.com

TodMaher wrote:http://www.newspapers.com has been adding complete runs for some newspapers from NFL cities in the past few weeks. Yes, they are each $7.95/month. But still bargain compared to ProQuest or interlibrary loans.

Cincinnati Enquirer - http://cincinnati.newspapers.com
Detroit Free Press - http://freep.newspapers.com
Indianapolis Star - http://indystar.newspapers.com

This is fantastic news, particularly the Free Press. Thanks for the heads up, Tod.

TodMaher wrote:http://www.newspapers.com has been adding complete runs for some newspapers from NFL cities in the past few weeks. Yes, they are each $7.95/month. But still bargain compared to ProQuest or interlibrary loans.

Cincinnati Enquirer - http://cincinnati.newspapers.com
Detroit Free Press - http://freep.newspapers.com
Indianapolis Star - http://indystar.newspapers.com

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