Re: Broncos' Loss
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:31 pm
Marty Schottenheimer was canned after going 12-4, 9-7 and 14-2 in San Diego.
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True, but that was somewhat different, in that he was fired for expressly ignoring direct orders from both the owner and the GM.Rupert Patrick wrote:Marty Schottenheimer was canned after going 12-4, 9-7 and 14-2 in San Diego.
And like Chuck Knox, Marty Schottenheimer didn't reach the Super Bowl.rhickok1109 wrote:True, but that was somewhat different, in that he was fired for expressly ignoring direct orders from both the owner and the GM.Rupert Patrick wrote:Marty Schottenheimer was canned after going 12-4, 9-7 and 14-2 in San Diego.
And, I don't think that team got there in spite of Marty. Schottenheimer was a better coach than Fox. He could be too conservative at times, but he had some bad luck (Byner, McCree), and the drafting in KC in the first round wasn't great.rhickok1109 wrote:True, but that was somewhat different, in that he was fired for expressly ignoring direct orders from both the owner and the GM.Rupert Patrick wrote:Marty Schottenheimer was canned after going 12-4, 9-7 and 14-2 in San Diego.
What were the orders, Ralph? I know Marty and A.J. didn't get along but I never heard any specifics. Regardless, it was a ridiculous firing.rhickok1109 wrote:True, but that was somewhat different, in that he was fired for expressly ignoring direct orders from both the owner and the GM.Rupert Patrick wrote:Marty Schottenheimer was canned after going 12-4, 9-7 and 14-2 in San Diego.
Schottenheimer wanted to hire his brother, Kurt, as DC. He was told by GM A.J. Smith that he wouldn't be allowed to and Spanos backed Smith up. Nevertheless, Schottenheimer sneaked his brother into San Diego for an interview. When Smith and Spanos found out, that was the last straw.JohnH19 wrote:What were the orders, Ralph? I know Marty and A.J. didn't get along but I never heard any specifics. Regardless, it was a ridiculous firing.rhickok1109 wrote:True, but that was somewhat different, in that he was fired for expressly ignoring direct orders from both the owner and the GM.Rupert Patrick wrote:Marty Schottenheimer was canned after going 12-4, 9-7 and 14-2 in San Diego.
Ironically, Marty quit in Cleveland when Modell was forcing him to get rid of Kurt as Special Teams coach. Another irony about that situation was that at the time he quit, there were two other open jobs: Kansas City, which he obviously took, and ... San Diego.rhickok1109 wrote:Schottenheimer wanted to hire his brother, Kurt, as DC. He was told by GM A.J. Smith that he wouldn't be allowed to and Spanos backed Smith up. Nevertheless, Schottenheimer sneaked his brother into San Diego for an interview. When Smith and Spanos found out, that was the last straw.
I recall a thread (or maybe an article) that noted how teams that dump a playoff coach for whatever reason, tend to go downhill. We'll see if St. Johnny can work some magic in Denver, but right now, the only executive genius he's shown was getting Peyton Manning to sign a Broncos' contract.Jeremy Crowhurst wrote:Denver is looking a lot like San Diego all over again. I agree Fox isn't anywhere close to Marty, but "incompetent" seems a little strong. Anyway, apparently Elway is seeking permission from the Ravens to interview Gary Kubiak. Fox to Kubiak looks a whole lot like Marty to Norv.
Isn't that just the math at work. A 12-4 team is far more likely to win fewer games the next season than more. Likewise losing teams, unless Bud Wilkinson is your coach. Chase Stuart did a cool piece on this a while ago which essentially looked at the correlation between wins in year T+1 vs in year T and it basically supported that which ever direction you are from .500 you're most likely to revert to the mean, there's a lot of randomness and much in this game we love.BD Sullivan wrote:I recall a thread (or maybe an article) that noted how teams that dump a playoff coach for whatever reason, tend to go downhill. We'll see if St. Johnny can work some magic in Denver, but right now, the only executive genius he's shown was getting Peyton Manning to sign a Broncos' contract.Jeremy Crowhurst wrote:Denver is looking a lot like San Diego all over again. I agree Fox isn't anywhere close to Marty, but "incompetent" seems a little strong. Anyway, apparently Elway is seeking permission from the Ravens to interview Gary Kubiak. Fox to Kubiak looks a whole lot like Marty to Norv.