EXTRA POINT QUESTION

[oldecapecod11]

EXTRA POINT QUESTION

Team A scores in the waning minutes of the game to pull within 1 Point.

They can go for 2 and try to win; or,
they can kick and hope to win in OT.

They send out the kicking team.
Team B sends out its best FG/EP blocking unit.

As the ball is snapped, a Team A eligible player streaks to the End Zone.
Either the Holder or the Kicker throws a perfect strike and the receiver scores.

Is it 2 Points or 1 Point?

[ChrisBabcock]

I would say it would have to be 2 points. In the old rules when each conversion attempt was from the 2, this would be a 2 point play. It wouldn't make sense to me that now with a longer distance to cover in this hypothetical play that all of a sudden it would be now be worth 1 point. (just my take on it)

[oldecapecod11]

by ChrisBabcock » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:59 am
"I would say it would have to be 2 points..."

One would think that is so.

But, how about the "attempt to deceive" nonsense.
Isn't the decision to kick and having the ball placed and then NOT doing so an attempt at deception? Of course it is.

It would not be as though they lined up with an option. Team A specifically indicated they would kick.

The no fun people have done all they can to eliminate one of the two most exciting plays in football: the Kick-Off return.
Now they are messing with the bathroom break - not good for beer sales.

[rhickok1109]

This is from the 2015 rule book:
ARTICLE 2. RESULTS OF A TRY. During a Try, the following shall apply:
(a) If a kick results in a field goal by the offense, one point is awarded. An artificial or manufactured tee shall not be permitted
to assist in the execution of a Try-kick. (The conditions of 11-4-1 must be met.)
(b) If a Try results in a touchdown by either team, two points are awarded.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
(d) If any play results in a touchback, the Try is unsuccessful, and there shall be no replay.

It seems to me that (c) means that it would be worth 2 points. To be absolutely certain about it, we might have to wait until there's an Approved Ruling to that effect.

[oldecapecod11]

by rhickok1109 » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:55 pm
"... (c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
"... It seems to me that (c) means that it would be worth 2 points. To be absolutely certain about it, we might have to wait until there's an Approved Ruling to that effect."

(C) is not at all applicable.
There was no play that would ordinarily result in a Safety.
Team A was lined up to kick and instead threw a completed pass to the End Zone.
Team B neither touched the ball nor prevented anything.

[conace21]

(b) indicates that your scenario would be worth two points. It's the equivalent of a touchdown= two points. A successful equivalent of a FG= 1 point. The deception is countered by the fact an offense is attempting this from the 15, not the 2.

The safety scenario would be: on the try attempt, AFC team's QB ( or holder in a fake) throws an interception to an NFC DB. The DB attempts to advance the ball, but fumbles. AFC player recovers, or it goes out of the end zone. That's the equivalent of a safety. 1 point for AFC.

Or I guess you could have a play like the Bears Saints play where Archie Manning tried a QB sneak from the one, but lost the ball. The ball kept bouncing towards the opposite end zone as players from both teams tried in vain to secure the ball. When all was said and done, the Bears recovered around the 40 yard line. If a play like that happened on a 2 point conversion, and it went the entire length of the field, and the offense fell on the ball in their own end zone, that would be a safety. One point for the defense.

[rhickok1109]

by rhickok1109 » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:55 pm
"... (c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
"... It seems to me that (c) means that it would be worth 2 points. To be absolutely certain about it, we might have to wait until there's an Approved Ruling to that effect."

(C) is not at all applicable.
There was no play that would ordinarily result in a Safety.
Team A was lined up to kick and instead threw a completed pass to the End Zone.
Team B neither touched the ball nor prevented anything.

Sorry, I meant (b).