The NCAA adopted a rule in 1941 for the 1942 season allowing unlimited substitution, due to manpower shortages due to the war. The NFL probably followed suit, though I find no mention.
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
Decline of the 'Iron Man' Era
Re: Decline of the 'Iron Man' Era
The NCAA adopted a rule in 1941 for the 1942 season allowing unlimited substitution, due to manpower shortages due to the war. The NFL probably followed suit, though I find no mention.
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
Re: Decline of the 'Iron Man' Era
The NCAA adopted a rule in 1941 for the 1942 season allowing unlimited substitution, due to manpower shortages due to the war. The NFL probably followed suit, though I find no mention.
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
Re: Decline of the 'Iron Man' Era
The NCAA adopted a rule in 1941 for the 1942 season allowing unlimited substitution, due to manpower shortages due to the war. The NFL probably followed suit, though I find no mention.
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
Re: Decline of the 'Iron Man' Era
The NCAA adopted a rule in 1941 for the 1942 season allowing unlimited substitution, due to manpower shortages due to the war. The NFL probably followed suit, though I find no mention.
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
Re: Decline of the 'Iron Man' Era
The NCAA adopted a rule in 1941 for the 1942 season allowing unlimited substitution, due to manpower shortages due to the war. The NFL probably followed suit, though I find no mention.
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
Re: Decline of the 'Iron Man' Era
The NCAA adopted a rule in 1941 for the 1942 season allowing unlimited substitution, due to manpower shortages due to the war. The NFL probably followed suit, though I find no mention.
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
In 1946, free substitution was withdrawn. Substitutions were limited to no more than three men at a time. The substitution rules had been relaxing during the 1930s, but were stricter than this. At first a player substituted for had to wait out the period to re-enter.
In 1949, free substitution was adopted for one year.
In 1950, unlimited free substitution was restored
In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it.
There had been various rules restricting substitutions. Usually this prevented such as kicking specialists. I do not find detailed rules changes. One must possibly research year by year...
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Re: Decline of the 'Iron Man' Era
by luckyshow » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:18 am
"...In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it..."
lucky's post reminded me of Paul Dietzel.
After the War and his discharge, his first coaching job was at West Point - where he would return years later on two occasions.
But the Army idea of platoon football never left him and after a second stop at the military academy he moved on.
Next on his career path was a National Championship at LSU in 1958.
It was at LSU that his "platoons" also gained national prominence. He had the "Go" team, the "White" team and the "Chinese Bandits."
I wonder what he would have to call two of those units today?
After LSU, Dietzel returned to Army and moved to other ventures.
Paul Dietzel's career was certainly one of coaching and other successes.
"...In the early 1940s, Army started using platoons and were scorned for it..."
lucky's post reminded me of Paul Dietzel.
After the War and his discharge, his first coaching job was at West Point - where he would return years later on two occasions.
But the Army idea of platoon football never left him and after a second stop at the military academy he moved on.
Next on his career path was a National Championship at LSU in 1958.
It was at LSU that his "platoons" also gained national prominence. He had the "Go" team, the "White" team and the "Chinese Bandits."
I wonder what he would have to call two of those units today?
After LSU, Dietzel returned to Army and moved to other ventures.
Paul Dietzel's career was certainly one of coaching and other successes.
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Re: Decline of the 'Iron Man' Era
....in the 60's there are players that went both ways, just not an entire game. some even started on both offense & defense during the season(usually due to injury). when dale messer gets injured in '61 for the niners(and they are in contention); hickey does not yet abandon the spread(shotgun)....thus he moves pro bowl right corner abe woodson to wingback and he starts. sf has depth in the secondary with rookie jimmy johnson, but abe does not carry the ball that much, and when the bears & steelers beat the niners back to back hickey puts sf(with brodie) in the t-formation, and abe goes back to defense, and again earns a pro bowl berth. since he was one of the best kick return men of his era.....woodson is a prime example of a player who played who impacted all three aspects. another example and rarely if ever mentioned; in '62 the cardinals had issues in their secondary, thus jim b. the kicker took some turns at safety for the cardinals....and based upon his college career, he might have been the cardinals emergency qb? roster sized and injury dictated needs.
Re: Decline of the 'Iron Man' Era
I've read that Hugh McElhenney brought about the demise of the 60-minute player...coaches saw how effective a 'specialist' like McElhenney could be and went out and got their own specialists. I don't know how true that is...it seems that by even 1952 the NFL had become a two-platoon system. I think as the level of play increased in the NFL in general, the "Iron Man" concept would inevitably disappear. Just look at kickers and punters now...its so specialized that you need one person to kick and a different person to punt. I think the last guy to regularly do both jobs was Frank Corral.74_75_78_79_ wrote:How and why did it all go away? How did this apply to the AAFC or, later on, the AFL if it applied at all? And how about the salaries? Did those who could start both (or 3) ways get significantly paid more than those who just started ONE-way?
As for the salaries, I would assume that the one-way guys probably made more than the two-way guys, because many of the one-way guys were QBs and RBs.