In an era when basically other than SF the entire NFC was ground game and defense with mediocre QB’s playing not to lose7DnBrnc53 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2026 7:29 pmThe 1984 Dolphins were just a QB. It's like Bob Kuechenberg said: When people figured out how to play Dan, the Dolphins suffered because they had no ground game or defense as the 80's went on.How so?
1984 Miami was one of the best teams that didn't win the Super Bowl
1989 Denver 11-5 with all 5 losses being by 1 score
1975 the Vikings and Rams were a lot better than Dallas
The 1979 Rams were one of the weakest teams to make the Super Bowl
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The 79 Rams were only 9-7. The talent didn't match the results.7DnBrnc53 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2026 7:29 pmThe 1984 Dolphins were just a QB. It's like Bob Kuechenberg said: When people figured out how to play Dan, the Dolphins suffered because they had no ground game or defense as the 80's went on. Also, Elway was sick in SB 24, and Wade Phillips ran a static 3-4 defense (which is suicide against the WCO).How so?
1984 Miami was one of the best teams that didn't win the Super Bowl
1989 Denver 11-5 with all 5 losses being by 1 score
1975 the Vikings and Rams were a lot better than Dallas
The 1979 Rams were one of the weakest teams to make the Super Bowl
Also, the 79 Rams were way more talented than those Miami and Denver teams.
In 1984 Miami went 14-2 in the regular season. So only 2 teams figured it out. Clayton and Duper didn't matter? In 1984 Bennet, Nathan , and Carter averaged between 4.2 and 5.0 per carry. Pete Johnson 9 TDs on 68 carries. The run game was good enough imo. It doesn't matter what happened in other seasons. In 1984 The Dolphins were an excellent team
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The NFC won, doesn't matter how. The NFC won 8 of 10 Super Bowls in the 80's. From 1980-1996, a period of 17 years the NFC won 15 times. The AFC dominated the titles in the 1970's though.CSKreager wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2026 8:03 pmIn an era when basically other than SF the entire NFC was ground game and defense with mediocre QB’s playing not to lose7DnBrnc53 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2026 7:29 pmThe 1984 Dolphins were just a QB. It's like Bob Kuechenberg said: When people figured out how to play Dan, the Dolphins suffered because they had no ground game or defense as the 80's went on.How so?
1984 Miami was one of the best teams that didn't win the Super Bowl
1989 Denver 11-5 with all 5 losses being by 1 score
1975 the Vikings and Rams were a lot better than Dallas
The 1979 Rams were one of the weakest teams to make the Super Bowl
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The 1979 Rams had injury problems, and they had to change QB's. In 1978 and 1980, they went 12-4 and 11-5.The 79 Rams were only 9-7. The talent didn't match the results.
In 1984 Miami went 14-2 in the regular season. So only 2 teams figured it out. Clayton and Duper didn't matter? In 1984 Bennet, Nathan , and Carter averaged between 4.2 and 5.0 per carry. Pete Johnson 9 TDs on 68 carries. The run game was good enough imo. It doesn't matter what happened in other seasons. In 1984 The Dolphins were an excellent team
That team had better WR's than the 84 Dolphins did with guys like rookie Drew Hill, Preston Dennard, and Billy Waddy. They were also missing Willie Miller and Ron Jessie due to injury. Much better WR core than the 84 Marino Corps.
Also, the running game must not have been good enough if the Dolphins didn't try to rely on it SB 19. The lack of a running game was the AFC's problem from the mid-80's to the mid-90's (with some exceptions).
Either AFC teams didn't have a running game, or their running game was irrelevant because they usually fell behind so far in their SB losses.
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The 79 Rams had a better receiver core than the 84 Dolphins??? lol None of them even approached the numbers put up by Clayton, Duper, and Moore. The comparison isn't even close.7DnBrnc53 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2026 4:18 amThe 1979 Rams had injury problems, and they had to change QB's. In 1978 and 1980, they went 12-4 and 11-5.The 79 Rams were only 9-7. The talent didn't match the results.
In 1984 Miami went 14-2 in the regular season. So only 2 teams figured it out. Clayton and Duper didn't matter? In 1984 Bennet, Nathan , and Carter averaged between 4.2 and 5.0 per carry. Pete Johnson 9 TDs on 68 carries. The run game was good enough imo. It doesn't matter what happened in other seasons. In 1984 The Dolphins were an excellent team
That team had better WR's than the 84 Dolphins did with guys like rookie Drew Hill, Preston Dennard, and Billy Waddy. They were also missing Willie Miller and Ron Jessie due to injury. Much better WR core than the 84 Marino Corps.
Also, the running game must not have been good enough if the Dolphins didn't try to rely on it SB 19. The lack of a running game was the AFC's problem from the mid-80's to the mid-90's (with some exceptions).
Either AFC teams didn't have a running game, or their running game was irrelevant because they usually fell behind so far in their SB losses.
Hill was a rookie. he wasn't very good then. Denard never had 50 catches and got to 800 yards once. Waddys best season 38 catches 670 yards. Jessie got to 50 catches and 750 yards twice. Miller 50 catches 750 yards once
Clayton 5-1000 yard seasons another with 996 yards. Duper 4-1000 yard seasons. Their 3rd option, Nat Moore, was probably better than all of the Rams WRers you mentioned.
Doesn't really matter what the Rams did in '78 and '80. They were not among the best in '79.
Why would the Dolphins rely on the run game when they relied on passing with Marino and his 48 TD passes the entire season? It worked very well.
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The best Rams team of the '70s was...'79 once Ferragamo & Tyler got rolling together! Ironically, despite KNOX no longer being onboard, that Rams offense was now more dynamic! But with much respect, 7Dn, the Marks Bros were quite head-and-shoulders above who Vince had at his disposal (now '79 Rams' WRs vs 'Three Amigos', perhaps an actual debate; maybe, maybe not). Perhaps that is what Vince needed to, perhaps, actually get past Pittsburgh in SBXIV (and at least giving Dallas a better game in the '80 WCG if not going all the way to New Orleans)...that true-blue WR-core!Sonny9 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2026 2:36 pmThe 79 Rams had a better receiver core than the 84 Dolphins??? lol None of them even approached the numbers put up by Clayton, Duper, and Moore. The comparison isn't even close.7DnBrnc53 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2026 4:18 amThe 1979 Rams had injury problems, and they had to change QB's. In 1978 and 1980, they went 12-4 and 11-5.The 79 Rams were only 9-7. The talent didn't match the results.
In 1984 Miami went 14-2 in the regular season. So only 2 teams figured it out. Clayton and Duper didn't matter? In 1984 Bennet, Nathan , and Carter averaged between 4.2 and 5.0 per carry. Pete Johnson 9 TDs on 68 carries. The run game was good enough imo. It doesn't matter what happened in other seasons. In 1984 The Dolphins were an excellent team
That team had better WR's than the 84 Dolphins did with guys like rookie Drew Hill, Preston Dennard, and Billy Waddy. They were also missing Willie Miller and Ron Jessie due to injury. Much better WR core than the 84 Marino Corps.
Also, the running game must not have been good enough if the Dolphins didn't try to rely on it SB 19. The lack of a running game was the AFC's problem from the mid-80's to the mid-90's (with some exceptions).
Either AFC teams didn't have a running game, or their running game was irrelevant because they usually fell behind so far in their SB losses.
Hill was a rookie. he wasn't very good then. Denard never had 50 catches and got to 800 yards once. Waddys best season 38 catches 670 yards. Jessie got to 50 catches and 750 yards twice. Miller 50 catches 750 yards once
Clayton 5-1000 yard seasons another with 996 yards. Duper 4-1000 yard seasons. Their 3rd option, Nat Moore, was probably better than all of the Rams WRers you mentioned.
Doesn't really matter what the Rams did in '78 and '80. They were not among the best in '79.
Why would the Dolphins rely on the run game when they relied on passing with Marino and his 48 TD passes the entire season? It worked very well.
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What’s your opinion of Nat Moore?7DnBrnc53 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2026 4:18 amThe 1979 Rams had injury problems, and they had to change QB's. In 1978 and 1980, they went 12-4 and 11-5.The 79 Rams were only 9-7. The talent didn't match the results.
In 1984 Miami went 14-2 in the regular season. So only 2 teams figured it out. Clayton and Duper didn't matter? In 1984 Bennet, Nathan , and Carter averaged between 4.2 and 5.0 per carry. Pete Johnson 9 TDs on 68 carries. The run game was good enough imo. It doesn't matter what happened in other seasons. In 1984 The Dolphins were an excellent team
That team had better WR's than the 84 Dolphins did with guys like rookie Drew Hill, Preston Dennard, and Billy Waddy. They were also missing Willie Miller and Ron Jessie due to injury. Much better WR core than the 84 Marino Corps.
Also, the running game must not have been good enough if the Dolphins didn't try to rely on it SB 19. The lack of a running game was the AFC's problem from the mid-80's to the mid-90's (with some exceptions).
Either AFC teams didn't have a running game, or their running game was irrelevant because they usually fell behind so far in their SB losses.
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For one year. And, they didn't win the biggest game in football. By 1986, I knew that the Dolphins wouldn't be a problem for several years because of a lack of a ground game and a lack of a defense.Why would the Dolphins rely on the run game when they relied on passing with Marino and his 48 TD passes the entire season? It worked very well.
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And somehow Washington used smoke and mirrors to win 2 SB’s because they were literally a ground gene and not much else7DnBrnc53 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2026 8:56 pmFor one year. And, they didn't win the biggest game in football. By 1986, I knew that the Dolphins wouldn't be a problem for several years because of a lack of a ground game and a lack of a defense.Why would the Dolphins rely on the run game when they relied on passing with Marino and his 48 TD passes the entire season? It worked very well.
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Well,...that's what it's about, one year. I don't think you can base an entire season or the success of a team on one game. And in this premise it's about opponents who lost in the Super Bowl so yea none of the opponents in the discussion won the Super Bowl.7DnBrnc53 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2026 8:56 pmFor one year. And, they didn't win the biggest game in football. By 1986, I knew that the Dolphins wouldn't be a problem for several years because of a lack of a ground game and a lack of a defense.Why would the Dolphins rely on the run game when they relied on passing with Marino and his 48 TD passes the entire season? It worked very well.