Coaches who didn’t deserve to win COY

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7DnBrnc53 wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2026 1:08 pm
Cleveland was far less talented yet somehow Marty Schottenheimer’s regular season smoke and mirrors fooled everyone into thinking they were alleged SB contenders
The Browns weren't untalented in the late-80's. At one time, they had a secondary with three Pro Bowl talents (until Don Rogers died in 1986). Also, they had others like Bob Golic, Carl Hairston (and eventually Michael Dean Perry would replace Golic), Chip Banks (until 1987), and Clay Matthews on defense. On offense, they had Bernie with Mack and Byner, the Wizard of Oz, and a solid OL and WR corp. They just weren't a dynamic, sexy offense, so they don't get too much credit.

The Bengals had a better offense, but their D never was too great, even in 1988.
Good comment, 7D ... I actually feel the Browns would have matched up better against the Giants and Redskins than the Broncos, but Denver couldnt be stopped by the Browns with Elway getting going. The Bronco's defense was better against AFC teams.

Youre right, Wyche had a great comeback season for Cincy in 1988 but even then, I felt the Bengals should have done more. Once Montana beat them again, they couldnt sustain that success.
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Youre right, Wyche had a great comeback season for Cincy in 1988 but even then, I felt the Bengals should have done more. Once Montana beat them again, they couldnt sustain that success.
I know. After that 88 season, I thought the Bengals were going to get back to the SB again in the not too distant future.

Unfortunately for them, Elbert (Ickey Woods) got hurt in Week 2 of the 89 season against the Steelers, and the magic started to evaporate in what would be a lost season at 8-8 (after they lost on Christmas night in Minnesota).

The next year, they would be back in the playoffs, but it was an inconsistent 9-7 team that lost in the second round to the Raiders (and may or may not have committed sexual assault against a Seattle woman: https://archive.seattletimes.com/archiv ... pe-assault)
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ShinobiMusashi wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2026 5:33 am
7DnBrnc53 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2026 9:47 am
Ironically I think Pardee should have won COY in 1993. All that Houston turmoil and he kept them afloat as long as humanly possible
Pardee didn't really seem like he was in charge to me. It seemed like Buddy Ryan was more in control there.

I think that Pardee may have been a lazy hire by Bud Adams after he fired Glanville. He wasn't that great of a head coach during his previous NFL stops. I think that Pardee should have been fired (along with the whole staff) after that 1992 WC debacle in Buffalo.
I would agree. I think Pardee and Gilbride should have got the boot after The Comeback, and without all that turmoil a Buddy Ryan head coached Oiler team would have gone further with possible #1 seed in the AFC. I remember being 9 years old in 93 but being totally hooked into that Oilers' season, but was totally confused about who the head coach was. Buddy Ryan gets so much flak for that season ending up the way it did but I feel like without him that was a 6-10 team that year, his defense was the reason why they won 11 in a row not anything to do with the offense. They were hitting and getting after the QB like no other Oiler team did before he got there, watching some of the games a few years back it was pretty ridiculous how physical that defense was. I think they knocked like 6 consecutive QB's out of games, then went into Pittsburgh and outhit them and outphysicalled them at Three Rivers.
As much as I would have liked seeing Houston barge into the SB and give Dallas everything they had (Buddy vs Jimmy), was Ryan any better a post-season HC than Pardee? I’d, sadly, say not. Yes, there’d be no ’Bride yet alone a run-and-shoot OC for Buddy to clash with, and the HC in this case would actually BE the HC/the only one in-charge, but still. No run-and-shoot under his watch for sure, but being he never cared about offense, would Oilers’ O under him have been any more capable of leading them to a SB anyway? Especially against Montana (does he actually out-coach Schottenheimer or Levy)?

A Head Coach like Bill Parcells would be the one to take them there! But as much as I would have rooted for Houston in such an event, and feeling that they highly likely give them a game, nobody in '93 was beating Big D for all the marbles, IMO, no matter who the HC would be! Even with Belichick at Tuna's disposal. Yes, both met in '91, but that Oiler-D didn't get to face that Dallas O-Line in full-bloom! And, of course, the usual suspects...Troy, Emmitt, Moose, Irvin, Novacek, etc. Dallas had a D as well, of course, and even Warren Moon even in this actual scenario with an actual strong post-season coach would have a hard time vs them.
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7DnBrnc53 wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2026 6:40 pm
Brian wolf wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2026 5:41 pm Youre right...
I know.
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(Sorry. I really DID "LOL"!)
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Haha ... me and 7D have interesting debates sometimes. All in good fun. We agree to disagree sometimes ...
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