Worst WR corps to play in SB?

[Brian wolf]

I admire Youngblood, yet also felt he hurt his team possibly in that game? John Turney may know more about his total snaps that SB but you want a healthier option in there to keep the rush on Bradshaw. I didnt feel they got enough pass rush that day. Brooks and Dryer were also disappointing.

[Bryan]

Ferragamo and the Rams WR corps led the NFL in passing TDs in 1980 with 31. Quite the turnaround.

They had a halfback by committee unit that year and the WR by committee.

Cullen Bryant was the guy who started every game and didn't get a lot of breaks. But the Rams were the top
running team that year, and it opened up play actions for them. Ferregamo was pretty deft with the football and he was not afraid of an interception.

The rewards were worth the risk. Ferragamo threw a very high ball, easy to catch, compared to some other strong-armed QBs ... like Bert Jones --- Jones has a better arm but in 1982 when he came to the Rams he put it on a line.

When there was a running game and a healthy Ferragamo, he could get some production from those guys, and did in 1980 like had in 1979.
He was able to get some deep passes regularly and had a good role player in Willie Miller. Miller had good hands and was trusted
in the red zone ... guys of a "go to" -- he got 8 of the 22 TD passes to WRs... mostly short ones.

The next year with basically the same receivers they caught 7 with Haden -- there was also a lot wrong in 1981 with the protection
for Haden but with the handful of QBs those receivers were really less than average. Or -- however, someone wants to categorize them.

Like I said in a previous post, Dennard had some route running and hands .. Waddy and Hill could get deep ... and if the ball were on the money could catch it. In 1980 the Rams would also use 11 personnel more than they ever had. I even saw them with 4 WRs at times ... very un-Ram-like.

Like in 1979, when Ferragamo played those WRs could produce ... like they did, to a degree, in the 6-2 final 8 games ... and in 1980 ... but when with someone else they were JAGs ... I'd say Ferragamo elevated them from a C- grade as a group to maybe a B.

In 1979 the WR Corp under Haden and Rutledge averaged 15 yards a catch. With Ferragamo and Lee they averaged 22.5 yards a catch -- Lee was responsible for a few deep passes.

I have wondered once in a while what Ferregame might have been if he ever had a great receiver...his career started and then sputtered ... he was someone who was said be be somewhat of an airhead ... but he could throw well, with good touch but the consistency was lacking, partly due to circumstances but also that while he made guys around him better --- there was only so much you get get out of them.

Waddy and Smith were high picks but never amounted to much -- SMith went to SD and was no more than a 3rd 4th WR, would play when they went 3 wide ... then in Philly -- Waddy couldn't make the Raiders and did nothing in Min

Dennard, a UFA, left did so-so. Drew Hill, though hung around and proved later he was more than just a deep threat. He could get some stuff underneath. But if he could have had one really good WR he might have thrown 30 just to the WRs.

Maybe there have been worse WR corps in a Super Bowl, but really a bunch of JAGs -- but Vinnie did get the most of anyone out of them, other than Drew Hill ... and about all he could do in LA was 'go' routes

This is great stuff. Thanks for sharing, John.

[7DnBrnc53]

2001 New England Patriots: Troy Brown, David Patten, Terry Glenn, Charles Johnson.

Regular season just 10 receiving TDs between them COMBINED. In their careers, a mere TWO combined Pro Bowls between the quartet. No all-pros.

They weren't much better in 2003. David Givens, Troy Brown, Deion Branch, and Bethel Johnson had 15 TD catches combined.

[Brian wolf]

Yep, from 2001-2006, Tom Brady wasnt bad for a game-managing QB. You wonder what Terry Glenn might have done with Brady had Belichick not sent him packing?

The Seahawks in 2013 won it all with Tate, Baldwin and Kearse at receiver ... Tate was tough and underrated but the other two were role players. In 2014, Tate was gone and Baldwin was better but Richardson and Percy Harvin, disappointed ...

[SeahawkFever]

The Seahawks in 2013 won it all with Tate, Baldwin and Kearse at receiver ... Tate was tough and underrated but the other two were role players. In 2014, Tate was gone and Baldwin was better but Richardson and Percy Harvin, disappointed ...

I would agree that the Seahawks Super Bowl teams weren’t that amazing at receiver.

Though I will say that in the case of Doug Baldwin, his best work was in the years after the two Super Bowls we played in. His pro bowls were in 2016 and 2017.

[Raptorfan]

The 1986 Giants might be the answer.

1990 was worse. The NYG Offenses of 1989/90 would have been considered old fashioned in the 40s.

Their best receiver of the 80s, Lionel Manuel, missed the last 4 games of 1985 and 12 games in 1986. In 1986 when Simms was accused of having tunnel vision to Bavaro, who else were his choices?

In 1990 Bavaro wasn’t the same player because of injuries and he was needed to block in their 3 yds/down offense.

[SeahawkFever]

The 1986 Giants might be the answer.

1990 was worse. The NYG Offenses of 1989/90 would have been considered old fashioned in the 40s.

Their best receiver of the 80s, Lionel Manuel, missed the last 4 games of 1985 and 12 games in 1986. In 1986 when Simms was accused of having tunnel vision to Bavaro, who else were his choices?

In 1990 Bavaro wasn’t the same player because of injuries and he was needed to block in their 3 yds/down offense.

The top three players by targets on the 1990 Giants were Stephen Baker, Dave Meggett and Mark Ingram. How good were they?

Also you say old fashioned by the 40's, do you say that because of how often they ran?

[Raptorfan]

The 1986 Giants might be the answer.

1990 was worse. The NYG Offenses of 1989/90 would have been considered old fashioned in the 40s.

Their best receiver of the 80s, Lionel Manuel, missed the last 4 games of 1985 and 12 games in 1986. In 1986 when Simms was accused of having tunnel vision to Bavaro, who else were his choices?

In 1990 Bavaro wasn’t the same player because of injuries and he was needed to block in their 3 yds/down offense.

The top three players by targets on the 1990 Giants were Stephen Baker, Dave Meggett and Mark Ingram. How good were they?

Also you say old fashioned by the 40's, do you say that because of how often they ran?

Baker and Ingram were eh. Meggett was a do everything player on offense.
Why I say “old fashioned“? They were a clock control offense that was 17th in the league in yards and 15th in points. A grinding running game and a passing attack that scared them more than any opponent.

Leaving out the 2 strike years to be nice, from 1980-1990, the Giants had THREE 1000 yd seasons from their WRs/TEs.

[SeahawkFever]

1990 was worse. The NYG Offenses of 1989/90 would have been considered old fashioned in the 40s.

Their best receiver of the 80s, Lionel Manuel, missed the last 4 games of 1985 and 12 games in 1986. In 1986 when Simms was accused of having tunnel vision to Bavaro, who else were his choices?

In 1990 Bavaro wasn’t the same player because of injuries and he was needed to block in their 3 yds/down offense.

The top three players by targets on the 1990 Giants were Stephen Baker, Dave Meggett and Mark Ingram. How good were they?

Also you say old fashioned by the 40's, do you say that because of how often they ran?

Baker and Ingram were eh. Meggett was a do everything player on offense.
Why I say “old fashioned“? They were a clock control offense that was 17th in the league in yards and 15th in points. A grinding running game and a passing attack that scared them more than any opponent.

Leaving out the 2 strike years to be nice, from 1980-1990, the Giants had THREE 1000 yd seasons from their WRs/TEs.

I could see that. Out of curiosity, they obviously didn’t make the Super Bowl, but how does that 90 Giants receiving corps compare to what the Eagles had in the early 2000’s when they lost in the NFC Championship Game before getting Terrell Owens? (Todd Pinkston, James Thrash and Freddie Mitchell as well Chad Lewis at tight end and Brian Westbrook out of the backfield)

I’ve heard people say McNabb didn’t have much to throw to in his early years.

[Raptorfan]

The top three players by targets on the 1990 Giants were Stephen Baker, Dave Meggett and Mark Ingram. How good were they?

Also you say old fashioned by the 40's, do you say that because of how often they ran?

Baker and Ingram were eh. Meggett was a do everything player on offense.
Why I say “old fashioned“? They were a clock control offense that was 17th in the league in yards and 15th in points. A grinding running game and a passing attack that scared them more than any opponent.

Leaving out the 2 strike years to be nice, from 1980-1990, the Giants had THREE 1000 yd seasons from their WRs/TEs.

I could see that. Out of curiosity, they obviously didn’t make the Super Bowl, but how does that 90 Giants receiving corps compare to what the Eagles had in the early 2000’s when they lost in the NFC Championship Game before getting Terrell Owens? (Todd Pinkston, James Thrash and Freddie Mitchell as well Chad Lewis at tight end and Brian Westbrook out of the backfield)

I’ve heard people say McNabb didn’t have much to throw to in his early years.

That’s a good question. I remember those early 2000s Eagles receivers and they definitely weren’t anything to brag about. But they had a more dynamic Qb than the Giants did in the ~1990 time frame which probably made a difference. But unfortunately I’m probably not the one to ask about their numbers.