1988 Redskins

[CSKreager]

In my mind, 1988 Redskins were a market correction as the 1987 Redskins are near the bottom in terms of Super Bowl winners.

They were better than the 91 Redskins, the most overrated team ever from what I see online.

Even though I said Gibbs gets too much credit for his SB’s…….

I know the 91 Lions/Falcons weren’t THAT great, but barely Beating an 8-7 team at hone isn’t exactly something to brag about

And the 87 Broncos were nowhere near as good as 91 Buffalo

Combined with the fact 87 WSH got to avoid the Saints and 49ers….. hard disagree

[SeahawkFever]

In my mind, 1988 Redskins were a market correction as the 1987 Redskins are near the bottom in terms of Super Bowl winners.

They were better than the 91 Redskins, the most overrated team ever from what I see online.

Even though I said Gibbs gets too much credit for his SB’s…….

I know the 91 Lions/Falcons weren’t THAT great, but barely Beating an 8-7 team at hone isn’t exactly something to brag about

And the 87 Broncos were nowhere near as good as 91 Buffalo

Combined with the fact 87 WSH got to avoid the Saints and 49ers….. hard disagree

How do the 87 Bears compare to the 91 Falcons and Lions?

[74_75_78_79_]

The '91 Redskins, to me, aren't as good but are at least clear-enough in the rear-view mirrors of those super-greats who came just before and just after them. They beat Atlanta, Detroit, and Buffalo (the '91 Bills, that is) in the same, sick dominant way that those other teams would have beaten them.

'87 may have beaten San Fran at Candlestick for the CC if given the chance though I think more-likely not. But, either way, they are quite noticeably lesser than '91!

'87 Bears compared to '91 Falcons/Lions? A legit comparison. Already not looking too impressive during their non-scab 8-1 start, that sick MNF no-show at Candlestick followed by losing another convincer, at home, to Seattle is, sadly, what I think of when I think of that very squad just two years removed from their 'Super Bowl Shuffle'. Washington allowing them to give them a game, however, is no disgrace at all IMO. It was at Soldier Field and them Bears fought so hard for Walter knowing this was his last season and that he wanted his Last Game Ever to be in San Diego in three weeks!


Back to the '88 version and the 2001 film, Donnie Darko. It takes place in October 1988 in the fictional town of Middlesex, Virginia which is based on the hometown of the film's director, Richard Kelly (Redskin Country). There's a night time living room scene where the teenage protagonist, his psychiatrist, and his father are watching a Redskins game together. A sideline shot on the TV is seen of Gibbs and a couple of his players in their white jerseys. It's, indeed, a night game but can't tell the venue from what little of the stadium I see.

Announcers are heard saying, "Has been a disappointing night, indeed, for the Super Bowl Champions." "You're right, Dan. Joe Gibbs is on the sidelines, water dripping off his glasses. But he's going to be thinking, 'what happened, what went wrong tonight'?" "And here's the kick..("argghh", chorus those in the living room)...no good."

"Shit, we need a quarterback!" says the father. "And a miracle", seconds the son's doctor with the son adding, "We need to go for a safety." Back to the announcers - "Well Mark Rypien certainly has some big shoes to fill, that's for certain." "Sure does."

And then, immediately, Doug Williams' back/#17 is seen close-up dropping back making a throw but it looks like it may be a daylight scene thus, likely, a shot from SBXXII itself!

I'm trying to figure out what game it was. Looking it up and seeing what others may know or think, I get no certain answer. One thinks it's the October 30th Sunday Night game at Houston. In this science fiction psychological fantasy thriller which is wide-open to time travel, symbolism, and 'other'-dimension sensibilities (its been a long time since I've last seen it and didn't figure it out then), a 'rabbit person' tells the teenage protagonist on Oct 2 as he's sleepwalking that the world will end in 28 days. That would bring us to Oct 30 itself which, you may argue, "ended" Washington's hopes of repeating.

Mike Patrick and Joe Theismann announced that game which leaves out any..."Dan". Then another suggests it was actually taken from the Broncos/Redskins Monday Nighter from the following year, '89; and that it was Dan Fouts being referred to (just discovered NOW that Kubiak was Denver's QB that night in their road-win over Wash). But it was another 'Dan' in that booth lineup!

I, personally, wouldn't be surprised if its a case of one visual blended in with a sound-bite of another game altogether. Considering what type of film this is, perhaps period-piece/timeline/continuity exactitude may not be necessary. Still, I'm a stickler for getting it exactly right!! If a scene takes place a certain month of a certain year (especially down to a day/hour/minute), I prefer the writer/director/producer to do thorough research ahead of time.

Anyway, here's the scene...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWMT_0AFOfg

Trying to figure this out, to me, ought to count as true...Football Research! If anyone can beat me to it, thanks in-advance!!

I checked out the '89 loss to Dallas, but no dice.

[SeahawkFever]

Have never seen Donnie Darko, is it good?

[7DnBrnc53]

And why is 87 better?

For starters, they had a better defense on paper. For example, the 87 Skins still had Dave Butz, Dexter Manley, and Darryl Grant while the 91 Skins were starting people like Fred Stokes and Eric Williams.

Also, another reason is the competition that they had in the NFC playoffs, which has been covered ad nauseum.

[Brian wolf]

I understand the comparison of seasons between 1987 and 1991 but it doesnt correlate. The 91 season was more dominant with the Skins taking care of business in the postseason. The 87 team was lucky to even reach the SB. Had it been the 85 Bears defense instead of an 87 defense that had players looking at their press clippings, the Redskins would have lost. The Vikings had their chances as well, but the ball slipped through their fingers

Like what was already posted, the 1991 Bills were far better than the 1987 Broncos.

[7DnBrnc53]

I understand the comparison of seasons between 1987 and 1991 but it doesnt correlate. The 91 season was more dominant with the Skins taking care of business in the postseason. The 87 team was lucky to even reach the SB. Had it been the 85 Bears defense instead of an 87 defense that had players looking at their press clippings, the Redskins would have lost. The Vikings had their chances as well, but the ball slipped through their fingers

Like what was already posted, the 1991 Bills were far better than the 1987 Broncos.

The 91 Skins were lucky to make it as well. No Dallas. No San Francisco. The Eagles without Randall Cunningham.

And, while the 91 Bills were better than the 87 Broncos, they aren't as much better as you think (both teams were NFC sacrificial lambs in the heart of the SB myth era).

[SeahawkFever]

I understand the comparison of seasons between 1987 and 1991 but it doesnt correlate. The 91 season was more dominant with the Skins taking care of business in the postseason. The 87 team was lucky to even reach the SB. Had it been the 85 Bears defense instead of an 87 defense that had players looking at their press clippings, the Redskins would have lost. The Vikings had their chances as well, but the ball slipped through their fingers

Like what was already posted, the 1991 Bills were far better than the 1987 Broncos.

The 91 Skins were lucky to make it as well. No Dallas. No San Francisco. The Eagles without Randall Cunningham.

And, while the 91 Bills were better than the 87 Broncos, they aren't as much better as you think (both teams were NFC sacrificial lambs in the heart of the SB myth era).

Not to stray too far off topic, but since we've already been talking about the 87 and 91 Skins, out of curiosity, what do you think of the 82 squad relative to 87 and 91? And what do you think of their playoff opponents? (82 Lions, Vikings, Cowboys, and Dolphins)

[7DnBrnc53]

Not to stray too far off topic, but since we've already been talking about the 87 and 91 Skins, out of curiosity, what do you think of the 82 squad relative to 87 and 91? And what do you think of their playoff opponents? (82 Lions, Vikings, Cowboys, and Dolphins)

Their 82 squad isn't as good as 87, but better than their 1983 team that lost the SB because they had a better defense. Also, the Cowboys were the best team they played in the 1982 postseason. The 82 Dolphins were one of the lesser teams that made it to a SB, and the Lions and Vikes were average teams that may not have made the playoffs if there was a full season.