Joe Gibbs' 3 Super Bowls- a great achievment or an asterisk?

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92 was the shakiest of BUF's SB teams. 91 scored the most points, 93 was a better defense, 90 their best overall team

Although I truly thought they would beat Dallas since they steamrolled through the last 2.5 playoff games before the Super Bowl. After going down 35-3 to the Oilers, they outscored opponents 91-16 the rest of the way.
They did steamroll, but it was against the Steelers and Dolphins, teams that the Bills owned at that point (I would have liked to have seen them play against the Chargers).

Also, while the 1993 Bills did finish fifth in points allowed, they were 27th in total yards, 24th against the run, and 21st against the pass.
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7DnBrnc53 wrote: Sun Apr 27, 2025 12:50 am
92 was the shakiest of BUF's SB teams. 91 scored the most points, 93 was a better defense, 90 their best overall team

Although I truly thought they would beat Dallas since they steamrolled through the last 2.5 playoff games before the Super Bowl. After going down 35-3 to the Oilers, they outscored opponents 91-16 the rest of the way.
They did steamroll, but it was against the Steelers and Dolphins, teams that the Bills owned at that point (I would have liked to have seen them play against the Chargers).

Also, while the 1993 Bills did finish fifth in points allowed, they were 27th in total yards, 24th against the run, and 21st against the pass.
It's happened before. The 98 Chargers were 18th in points allowed, yet somehow finished #1 in total yards and against the run.
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What happens if you replay the entire 1991 season, but that season's Giants, Forty Niners, and Bills are each replaced with the exact 1990 versions instead? And instead of the actual '91 Cowboys, you have next year's exact version instead??

I can't imagine it "written in stone" that Washington automatically doesn't still finish on top. I would place Big D as the favorite, but not by much. Just think of that NFC East in this scenario! With the Eagles (and that Classic defense) in there as well, Dallas is not finishing 13-3, nor is NYG. And Washington doesn't finish 14-2 (and Philly likely wins just 8 or 7 games).

Yes, in '91, the Redskins benefited by not having to be in the same season with better versions of each of the teams mentioned. But they still dominated, didn't have an easy schedule, won 14 games going into a meaningless finale, and dominated even more-so in the post-season! Not among the very elite teams of All-Time, but not far beneath. Just like Larry Holmes at his peak is not far behind Ali, Frazier, Foreman, etc at their peaks.

Back to the hypothetical, I think Washington at least split with Dallas & NYG, Cowboys & Giants split with each other as well, and the division is up for grabs for all three going into the finale; Washington's game at Philly is now a meaningful affair. My best guess would be Dallas winning the division by just one game with Wash & NYG finishing with the same record taking up the 4th & 5th seeds thus playing each other in the 1st Rd. And if Washington wins that one, and then win at San Fran, and then top the Cowboys in Big D, I think they still would have been the better team than Buffalo and pull it off. It's just that this game would be competitive as opposed to what really happened.


The 1989 Redskins would have to serve as a nice example of the famous Bill Parcells "as good as your record" maxim. The same as being a good example of the saying, "a win is a win, a loss is a loss". Each of their two losses against the Giants could have gone the other way. And even more-so that Wk#2 miracle they allowed Philly to make at RFK. Why Gibbs didn't contest that vital fumble-return non-call late in the game beats me. They hanging on could have ended up making such a huge difference. And, in addition, just one of those close losses to NYG turning into a win!

But then you got that ultimate 'black-eye' of their '89 campaign and that's the home-loss to Dallas! Yes, a rivalry, but still. And though losing at home to a SB-participant-to-be, even an 11-5 one, is nothing at all to be ashamed of, the Eagles and Giants each beat Denver at Mile High. Going by the highest NFC standards of the time, along with Joe Gibbs Redskins standards, Washington really should have beaten that very team at home whom they demolished two Super Bowls prior!

Losing to the Raiders, which rounds out all six losses of theirs, not a real disgrace. Shell was now their HC and they were in rally-mode. But still. End of the day, when you look at all of it, Washington ended up right where they belonged...a good 10-6 team, yes IMO better and more dynamic than those 'Majik' Packers, but a team coming up just short of the playoffs just the same.

EDIT - a big thing that I failed to even mention in all of this, is something I didn't know until right now! Elway was out for that Broncos at RFK Monday Nighter! Not to disrespect one who would end up HC-ing the Broncos to a Lombardi 26 years later, but perhaps Washington should lose more cred for that very loss to that very team whom both NYG & Philly beat - with Elway - at Mile High.
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Could WSH have still done what they did in 1991 with Stan Humphries?

Given everything we hear about the Hogs and Posse, surely he could have been just as effective as Rypien considering he would have had everything benefit #11 had
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Halas Hall wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:13 am I write this as a huge New York Giants fan during that era. Those were terrific Washington teams, and I feel Joe Gibbs is a vastly underrated coach. Their 1989 team that just missed the playoffs was a very good team.
That 1989 team was fool's gold. Outside of road wins at Philly and New Orleans, they basically beat up on a weak schedule (DAL, PHX 2x, SD, SEA, ATL 6-10 CHI, Tampa)

Remember they wouldn't even have been the 3rd WC had it been around a year early (lose tiebreakers with GB)
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7DnBrnc53 wrote: Sun Apr 27, 2025 12:50 am
92 was the shakiest of BUF's SB teams. 91 scored the most points, 93 was a better defense, 90 their best overall team

Although I truly thought they would beat Dallas since they steamrolled through the last 2.5 playoff games before the Super Bowl. After going down 35-3 to the Oilers, they outscored opponents 91-16 the rest of the way.
They did steamroll, but it was against the Steelers and Dolphins, teams that the Bills owned at that point (I would have liked to have seen them play against the Chargers).
Just like Washington got to play against ATL/DET teams they had owned?
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74_75_78_79_ wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 7:02 pm What happens if you replay the entire 1991 season, but that season's Giants, Forty Niners, and Bills are each replaced with the exact 1990 versions instead? And instead of the actual '91 Cowboys, you have next year's exact version instead??
The Cardinals would have gone 0-16.
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Just like Washington got to play against ATL/DET teams they had owned?
Yes, exactly.
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Gibbs is one of the most underrated figures in NFL history, he rarely gets mentioned as one of the all time great coaches...but he belongs there. He never came across as a larger than life figure, or had an iconic image like a Landry or Lombardi...he was inconspicuous but got the job done 3 times with 3 different QB's...and only 1 of those QB's had a long term body of work of being any good (Theismann)

Leaving after the 1992 season (at only 51 I believe) and falling off the NFL radar hurt his legacy. If he sticks around and gets the Skins back to a Super Bowl post 1992 I think he is far more frequently mentioned as one of the NFL immortals

I'll always remember that shot of him on the sidelines after Darrin Nelson dropped that pass from Wade Wilson to send the Skins to the Super Bowl, breathing the biggest sigh of relief I have ever seen. It was like all the blood drained from his body.
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sheajets wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 2:05 pm I'll always remember that shot of him on the sidelines after Darrin Nelson dropped that pass from Wade Wilson to send the Skins to the Super Bowl, breathing the biggest sigh of relief I have ever seen. It was like all the blood drained from his body.
He was playing an 8-7 team at home. What did he have to worry about?
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