My 5 this years

[JohnTurney]

Ray Donaldson, C
Jim Nance, FB
Ahmad Rashad, WR
Jim Bakken, K
Joe Kopcha, G

but will support others -- these are just 5 want to make sure are on the ballot for consideration

Why?
Donaldson -- not many centers in HOVG, seems to me to be best eligible not yet in.

Nance, was MVP, etc ... top AFL FB after Gilchrist

Rashad-- "Nearly perfect WR", Fran Tarkenton said in response to Cosell calling Swann the "Practically perfect WR" and is sometimes underrated

Bakken - a tribute to Rupert Patrick who has a very high PAL number on him ... i.e. better than his peers by at least a measurable margin

Kopcha - Was All-Pro, on Willis' list as one of the top two-way players, and a member of PFRA

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Wish had room for Rich Saul, Bobby Joe Green, Jerrel Wilson, though have seen them nominated before, I think.

GOing to vote for Charley Brock, assuming he'll get renominated ... also hoping someone will nominate Cedrick Hardman ... I think HOVG is where he fits someday

[JuggernautJ]

If I recall correctly (and my memory isn't what it once was) I nominated Hardman last year and he didn't make it past the committee to the final ballot.
Maybe this year.

Although I seem to support a lot of lost causes...

[sluggermatt15]

If I recall correctly (and my memory isn't what it once was) I nominated Hardman last year and he didn't make it past the committee to the final ballot.
Maybe this year.

Although I seem to support a lot of lost causes...

One year you nominated Alyn Beals, and he made it to the Final 20.

[JohnTurney]

If I recall correctly (and my memory isn't what it once was) I nominated Hardman last year and he didn't make it past the committee to the final ballot.
Maybe this year.

Although I seem to support a lot of lost causes...

There have been a lot of solid DEs --- six since 2020

Ed 'Too Tall' Jones
Ron McDole
Bill Stanfill
Mark Gastineau
Earl Faison
Jerry Mays

Hardman would have better chance now -- maybe, anyway

[JameisBrownston]

My 5:

Clem Daniels (RB) - legit best scrimmage stats among AFL RBs. OG PPR royalty.
Carroll Dale (WR) - it's far beyond time... right?!
Roy Green (WR/DB) - with Travis Hunter coming in, now is exactly the time to recognize Green.
Norm "Wildman" Willey (DE) - wildcard pick, we've all heard the stories, but I never see him nominated, so let's see what we make of the totality.
Monte Kiffin (Coach) - since we're doing coordinators now, make way for the GOAT DC (besides LeBeau, who's already in the HOF halfway for that).

I think there are lots of WR resumes in backlog clearly a cut above Ahmad Rashad.

[JohnTurney]

My 5:

Clem Daniels (RB) - legit best scrimmage stats among AFL RBs. OG PPR royalty.
Carroll Dale (WR) - it's far beyond time... right?!
Roy Green (WR/DB) - with Travis Hunter coming in, now is exactly the time to recognize Green.
Norm "Wildman" Willey (DE) - wildcard pick, we've all heard the stories, but I never see him nominated, so let's see what we make of the totality.
Monte Kiffin (Coach) - since we're doing coordinators now, make way for the GOAT DC (besides LeBeau, who's already in the HOF halfway for that).

I think there are lots of WR resumes in backlog clearly a cut above Ahmad Rashad.

All good -- for me, Clem Daniels, Green and Willey strongest ... but Kiffin solid.

Not as keen on Dale (nor was I on Dowler) -- both's top credentials to me is the championships that they were key players in. I am probably nitpicking I I see them as Hall of Good, not "very good" -- and that is my own personal definition. To me HOVG was near-HOFers ... and I don't see them as that.

I know the old 50th Anniversary thing for Dowler (runner-up to Hirsch) but and his all-decade, so those are solid but -- also, you can question them a little bit (recency bias for the former) and kind of a close call for the 1960s ... in retrospect, perhaps Bobby Mitchell would have been better pick, though I do think team success does matter some -- but maybe Bob Hayes should have gotten it. He played the same number of years in 1960s as Butkus and Sayers ...

anyway, not saying I am right, but I do to disagree on Dale, and by extension Dowler. To me a notch below some of the other guys. Not that I would kick them out if I had the power ...

separate -- discussion for me 1960s NFL All-Decade (peak, to me, matters)
Hayes, Shofner, C. Taylor and Bobby Mitchell.

Raymond Berry is the hard one. He dropped off in the 1960s but maybe he was as dominant early 1960s as C. Taylor and Hayes were in late 1960s. So might go with him ...


HMs to guys like Sonny Randle, Dowler, Dale, Orr, etc.

[Brian wolf]

I understand John, but Dale was very underrated. He made the most of his receptions with over 19 yrds per catch and seemed to rejuvenate Starr after McGee started to get hurt more. People forget he had a TD catch called back in the first SB, he was that clutch in their postseason, three-peat.

[ChrisBabcock]

Houston Antwine
Kent Hull
Leslie O'Neal
Mike Stratton
Steve Tasker

Not hiding my Bills bias.

[JohnTurney]

I understand John, but Dale was very underrated. He made the most of his receptions with over 19 yrds per catch and seemed to rejuvenate Starr after McGee started to get hurt more. People forget he had a TD catch called back in the first SB, he was that clutch in their postseason, three-peat.

I get it ... and know his story, but my take is that there are lots of good players that are ahead of him. At least in my book. Others will differ I am sure, but I see him just a bit less than others, maybe in the Jimmy Orr/Garry Garrison world of players, but on a dynasty team.

As far as WR I think may be ahead of him are Rashad, Gene Washington (SF) Jim Gilliam ,etc

but that's just my view

[sluggermatt15]

My 5:

Clem Daniels (RB) - legit best scrimmage stats among AFL RBs. OG PPR royalty.
Carroll Dale (WR) - it's far beyond time... right?!
Roy Green (WR/DB) - with Travis Hunter coming in, now is exactly the time to recognize Green.
Norm "Wildman" Willey (DE) - wildcard pick, we've all heard the stories, but I never see him nominated, so let's see what we make of the totality.
Monte Kiffin (Coach) - since we're doing coordinators now, make way for the GOAT DC (besides LeBeau, who's already in the HOF halfway for that).

I think there are lots of WR resumes in backlog clearly a cut above Ahmad Rashad.

I really enjoy this time of year because I get to see/hear names I've never heard of, and it inspires me to research and maybe even write a biography.