Doug Williams is a contributor semifinalist

[readjack]

The Hall just released its list of 25 contributors for consideration for PFHOF 2025, and Doug Williams is on the list after not advancing as a senior. I think he makes more sense here but I've never seen someone in two categories in the same year.

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/202 ... s-of-2025/

The list:

• Bud Adams
• Roone Arledge
• Chris Berman
• Howard Cosell
• Otho Davis
• John Facenda
• Mike Giddings
• Ralph Hay
• Frank “Bucko” Kilroy
• Don Klosterman
• Eddie Kotal
• Robert Kraft
• Virginia McCaskey
• Rich McKay
• John McVay
• Art Modell
• Lee Remmel
• Eddie Robinson
• Art Rooney Jr.
• Jerry Seeman
• Seymour Siwoff
• Amy Trask
• Jim Tunney
• Doug Williams
• John Wooten

[Ken Crippen]

The interesting question that we face in deliberations with Williams, is do we include his playing career when we consider his candidacy? A contributor is someone who is not a player or coach, but has made substantial contributions to pro football. Part of his contributions were as a trailblazing player.

[readjack]

Fascinating Ken. I have my views, but how did that discussion play out?

[Brian wolf]

I can never take this category seriously until Jack Vainisi and Bernie Parrish are on this list. Doug Williams? How about Marlin Briscoe? Art Rooney Jr still gets more support than Dick Haley.

It wont matter, Kraft will get elected this year.

[Brian wolf]

Why cant Byron Donzis, the inventor of the flak jacket, make this list? Imagine the numerous player injuries that his jacket has prevented?

[Ken Crippen]

Fascinating Ken. I have my views, but how did that discussion play out?

Hasn't happened yet. That will come up if he makes the final nine. Then, the committee will need to make that decision.

[readjack]

Got it.

[rewing84]

BW: most baffling to me is the fact they put a bunch of tv people over guys like Briscoe Haley Murchison Parrish Vanisi

[Bryan]

The list:

• Bud Adams
• Chris Berman
• Virginia McCaskey
• Eddie Robinson
• Seymour Siwoff

Aside from Robinson, these are like the most reprehensible people associated with the NFL. And what on earth is Eddie Robinson on the ballot for?

[rewing84]

honestly Bryan i have zero idea why robinson is on the ballot to begin with since he was mainly a college coach for many many years, also could i know why mccaskey is reprehensible could you explain to me why the other three Adams Berman Siwoff are also reprehensible