Continuation of Discussion Under Cam Newton

Bob Gill
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Re: Continuation of Discussion Under Cam Newton

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TanksAndSpartans wrote:Here’s a hypothetical. Take the 1917 Detroit Heralds v. Buffalo game. I think Sacksteder had 4 TDs. We don’t know the stats although you may have them, but let's assume no one knows. What if he rushed for say 280 yards and had another 200 in return yards and throw in a couple completions and a couple receptions? We’d throw the game out as a "weak opponent", right? But we don’t throw out Sanders’ games against or I really want to stop picking on Spec, so I will use Hugh McElhenny against the ’52 Texans instead - I have footage of him running all over that 1-11 team. Its probably a moot point because the mismatch games are usually the ones we have the least detail on anyway, but I wanted to get your view.

Well, I tend to do just what you've described: I generally discount the major teams' games against teams like the Toledo Navy or the Altoona Pros or anybody they beat by scores like 52-0. (The only exception I can think of at the moment is 1917 games against the Columbus Panhandles, who lost several games by ridiculous scores but were recognized as a "major" team and just had a very subpar squad that year.)

You raise a good point, though: Why discount a 41-0 win over Altoona when we do count the 1921 game in which somebody -- Buffalo, maybe -- beat that Tonawanda team by about 45-0? Same goes for Muncie's 45-0 loss (to Rock Island or somebody) in 1920. Now I'm wondering if I should go back and try to revise the scoring records -- which are all that usually exist -- for all those blowouts in the teens.
JameisLoseston
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Re: Continuation of Discussion Under Cam Newton

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The mention of Larry Johnson might not be quite the right comparison, because Johnson was an absolute monster for a couple years in the NFL too until the Chiefs just ran him straight into the ground. So even though he made a lot of his stats off cupcakes in college, he also had the talent to wreck top teams too while he was still young and fresh. That said, it did seem like anyone could pick up 2k from scrimmage on those early 2000s Chiefs. I suspect that's what is holding Priest Holmes back from HOF induction. Still, if we're using Johnson as the comparison, that certainly isn't a case against Sanders likely being able to do the same against better opponents.
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