Predict 3 shocking developments...

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Rupert Patrick wrote:
ChrisBabcock wrote:This just popped into my head and I'll admit I'm just throwing a dart with this one.
Within the next 20 years we'll have our first NFL regular season that has every team's record between 6-10 and 10-6.
Won't happen. Ever. Even in true parity, where every team was equal in every single way, due to the law of averages, it is very, very unlikely that it would ever happen. For one thing, there is a point somewhere around 25 percent where on any given Sunday any team on average can beat any other team due to unforseen flukes, such as a gimme last second field goal is shanked, or one team has a statistical advantage over the other team but still loses the game, or an injury to a key player that causes the favored team to win, or some player on the underdog team has the game of his life, or a tipped pass that turns into the winning score, or any one of a hundred other reasons. Sometimes, it is something as small as a missed block that allows a long touchdown run.

I know this 25 percent range for flukes is true because no matter how smart the so-called experts are, none of them can pick the winners of all regular season pro football games before the fact at better than a 75 percent clip over the course of the regular season. No matter how you pick them, no matter what type of system you use, there is a wall where you cannot pick more than 75 percent of the winners week after week. With that being said, if you are picking good vs. bad games, a good team (say, New England) against a bad team (say, Cleveland), those probabilities are much higher. At that point, the probability of picking the winner goes up to about 90 percent. But in any given week, there are usually three or four games which are total toss-ups, and it is how you pick those which really decides how good you are at picking games.
I think it tells more about how lucky you are at picking games :D
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rhickok1109 wrote:
Rupert Patrick wrote:
ChrisBabcock wrote:This just popped into my head and I'll admit I'm just throwing a dart with this one.
Within the next 20 years we'll have our first NFL regular season that has every team's record between 6-10 and 10-6.
Won't happen. Ever. Even in true parity, where every team was equal in every single way, due to the law of averages, it is very, very unlikely that it would ever happen. For one thing, there is a point somewhere around 25 percent where on any given Sunday any team on average can beat any other team due to unforseen flukes, such as a gimme last second field goal is shanked, or one team has a statistical advantage over the other team but still loses the game, or an injury to a key player that causes the favored team to win, or some player on the underdog team has the game of his life, or a tipped pass that turns into the winning score, or any one of a hundred other reasons. Sometimes, it is something as small as a missed block that allows a long touchdown run.

I know this 25 percent range for flukes is true because no matter how smart the so-called experts are, none of them can pick the winners of all regular season pro football games before the fact at better than a 75 percent clip over the course of the regular season. No matter how you pick them, no matter what type of system you use, there is a wall where you cannot pick more than 75 percent of the winners week after week. With that being said, if you are picking good vs. bad games, a good team (say, New England) against a bad team (say, Cleveland), those probabilities are much higher. At that point, the probability of picking the winner goes up to about 90 percent. But in any given week, there are usually three or four games which are total toss-ups, and it is how you pick those which really decides how good you are at picking games.
I think it tells more about how lucky you are at picking games :D
That is true. This is why I hate picking the winners of games. I do pick the winner of the Super Bowl every year, and it is difficult, and even studying the teams very closely I can pick up things that I see that led me to state that teams who were rated as underdogs in the game should have actually been favored to win, as in the case of Seattle over Denver in Super Bowl XLIX and Phiadelphia over New England in Super Bowl LII. Even with that, I was wrong about predicting the Panthers to beat the Broncos, and I picked Seattle but the Seahawks-Patriots game was decided by a fluky play at the end.

Getting back to the original statement about all the teams in the league being between 6-10 and 10-6, I decided to examine the issue at a statistical level. Looking at teams in the 16-game era, between 1978 and 2017, removing strike seasons, and dropping out all teams with tie games on their records, approximately 55.275 percent of all teams finished either 6-10, 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 or 10-6. The probability of all 32 teams finishing between 6-10 and 10-6 in a given season should therefore be .55275 to the 32nd power or 5.76668E-09 or 173,410,061 to 1. That's sort of a rough estimate.

Even the probability of a season with all 32 teams between 4-12 and 12-4 is over 100 to one.
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I personally don't think the NFL giving Europe a team will ever work. Sure they can try it but I think what would happen is that not many players would want to go to that team and thus the Europe franchise would end up having to pay a lot more to get players than American based franchises would.
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lastcat3 wrote:I personally don't think the NFL giving Europe a team will ever work. Sure they can try it but I think what would happen is that not many players would want to go to that team and thus the Europe franchise would end up having to pay a lot more to get players than American based franchises would.
I agree. Also scheduling would be a big cost and issue.
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sluggermatt15 wrote:
lastcat3 wrote:I personally don't think the NFL giving Europe a team will ever work. Sure they can try it but I think what would happen is that not many players would want to go to that team and thus the Europe franchise would end up having to pay a lot more to get players than American based franchises would.
I agree. Also scheduling would be a big cost and issue.
The logical thing to do (should the NFL"s popularity continue to grow world-wide, which I doubt) would be to start a (another) sister-league in "the old world" (Europe, Asia and Africa). Then have that league compete and grow until it reached a status similar to the NFL then (semi-) merge the old and new leagues into a, oh I don't know, let's call it a "World League of American Football."

The two leagues could remain "separate but equal" and the champs of each league could meet in a "World Championship Super-Bowl" at the end of each season. And one of the "original 32" would be guaranteed a spot in each and every Championship game.

That way the current NFL could compete in this hemisphere and the new league in the "other" hemisphere without undue travel/scheduling concerns while still being a part of a greater-whole football league.

Of course, this might have been tried before...
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JuggernautJ wrote:
sluggermatt15 wrote:
lastcat3 wrote:I personally don't think the NFL giving Europe a team will ever work. Sure they can try it but I think what would happen is that not many players would want to go to that team and thus the Europe franchise would end up having to pay a lot more to get players than American based franchises would.
I agree. Also scheduling would be a big cost and issue.
The logical thing to do (should the NFL"s popularity continue to grow world-wide, which I doubt) would be to start a (another) sister-league in "the old world" (Europe, Asia and Africa). Then have that league compete and grow until it reached a status similar to the NFL then (semi-) merge the old and new leagues into a, oh I don't know, let's call it a "World League of American Football."

The two leagues could remain "separate but equal" and the champs of each league could meet in a "World Championship Super-Bowl" at the end of each season. And one of the "original 32" would be guaranteed a spot in each and every Championship game.

That way the current NFL could compete in this hemisphere and the new league in the "other" hemisphere without undue travel/scheduling concerns while still being a part of a greater-whole football league.

Of course, this might have been tried before...
I'm still a purist, after more than 20 years, I still dislike interleague regular season baseball. On the other hand, I do not mind that the AL has the DH and the NL does not, becuase it creates two different kinds of games. In the World Series you get to see NL managers have to adapt to it and AL managers have to go without it, which means both teams have to adapt their game plans.
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