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7DnBrnc53 wrote:
Don Shula is the textbook example of somebody who stayed in one place for too long, where he couldn't figure out how to come up with a running game to compliment Dan Marino.
After re-watching that game a few years ago, I came to the conclusion that Shula should have been fired after the 1992 AFC Title Game loss to the Bills. You could sense that Shula and Marino were never going to get it done together. For example, they only tried to run the ball 11 times. That was inexcusable with Bobby Humphrey (ex-1,000 yard rusher with Denver) in the backfield.
In Marino's career with Shula, the most yards a RB gained was Mark Higgs with 915 yards in 1991. Under Jimmy Johnson, he chose Karim Abdul-Jabbar in the third round of the draft andtwice in his first three seasons bettered that 915 mark, and came close in 1997 with 892 yards. In his rookie year, Abdul-Jabbar became Marino's only running back to break the 1,000 yard barrier when he rushed for 1,116 yards. Since 1960 or so, I can't think of another quality QB who only had one or less 1,000 yard rushing season behind him during his career, much less one who lasted as many years as Marino did. And this was from the coach a decade earlier who put together one of the most devastating rushing attacks of my lifetime with Csonka, Morris and Kiick. It simply boggles the mind.

After Jimmy Johnson left Dallas, I think the writing was on the wall that it was time for Shula to step aside in Miami so Jimmy could return to Miami to take over the Dolphins. One has to wonder how much of it was Shula's doing and how much was ownership's doing.
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Jeremy Crowhurst wrote:
BD Sullivan wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Bud was annoyed that Burns didn't get the job over Steckel. Was that one of the conditions for him to come back?
I've seen Grant/Steckel cited as one of the main arguments why you don't let successful people pick their replacements: they will pick a dud, so that they seem even better by comparison. The guy who wrote that was Harvey Mackay, not a football guy, but a very successful Minnesota businessman and motivational speaker.
Bud Grant recommended that someone from his staff take over but I haven't seen anything that says it was specifically Steckel.

Regardless, Bud would never make a recommendation with the thought of elevating his own stature. That would be something that a selfish and insecure person might do. Bud Grant was and is the furthest thing from a selfish and insecure person.
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Jeremy Crowhurst wrote:
BD Sullivan wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Bud was annoyed that Burns didn't get the job over Steckel. Was that one of the conditions for him to come back?
I've seen Grant/Steckel cited as one of the main arguments why you don't let successful people pick their replacements: they will pick a dud, so that they seem even better by comparison. The guy who wrote that was Harvey Mackay, not a football guy, but a very successful Minnesota businessman and motivational speaker.
Harvey Mackay ... haven't heard that name in a long time, but for quite a while he was an influence in the Twin Cities. He also led the group that pushed for the HHH Metrodome in Minneapolis and a few years later was part of a group of local business leaders that bought thousands of Twins tickets, blocking Griffith's efforts to sell the team to a group that wanted to relocate them.

FWIW, the last time I was in the Metrodome (for a baseball game, maybe ten years ago?), it was still in very good shape. Though under-built to meet cost considerations (horrible bathrooms, lack of bathrooms for women, for example), it was well-used for 30 years for pro football, pro baseball, college football, high school football, thousands of college and high school baseball and softball games, concerts, shows ... you could even go there and roller skate the concourse on certain days for free (not sure if Ditka was inspired by that or if he inspired it).
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JohnH19 wrote:
Jeremy Crowhurst wrote:
BD Sullivan wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Bud was annoyed that Burns didn't get the job over Steckel. Was that one of the conditions for him to come back?
I've seen Grant/Steckel cited as one of the main arguments why you don't let successful people pick their replacements: they will pick a dud, so that they seem even better by comparison. The guy who wrote that was Harvey Mackay, not a football guy, but a very successful Minnesota businessman and motivational speaker.
Bud Grant recommended that someone from his staff take over but I haven't seen anything that says it was specifically Steckel.

Regardless, Bud would never make a recommendation with the thought of elevating his own stature. That would be something that a selfish and insecure person might do. Bud Grant was and is the furthest thing from a selfish and insecure person.
I'm pretty sure Grant wanted Burns to replace him in '84 all along. From what little I know or think I know, and correct me if wrong, during that '84 campaign (especially when things went from just a little bit bad to ugly in those final six games) I think Bud behind the scenes either told management or hinted to them that he'd come back if they wanted him to and that, in essence, led to Vikes to letting Steckel go after just one year whereas they may have allowed him to continue in '85. This way he can, pretty much, set things up for Burns before leaving for good. It makes you wonder just how sooner (than '86) the Vikings have their first winning year under Burns had he began his tenure in '84 already, and just how sooner (than '87) he makes his first playoff appearance. Are Vikes bad at all in '84 in this scenario?
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Bud turned down an offer to return late in the '84 season and didn't think Steckel should be fired at all. He only agreed to come back when Max Winter asked (begged) him to, after Steckel's firing.

One of Bud's and the Vikings' greatest victories came in Week 1 of the '85 season when they came back to beat the defending champion 49ers 28-21.
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JohnH19 wrote:Bud turned down an offer to return late in the '84 season and didn't think Steckel should be fired at all. He only agreed to come back when Max Winter asked (begged) him to, after Steckel's firing.

One of Bud's and the Vikings' greatest victories came in Week 1 of the '85 season when they came back to beat the defending champion 49ers 28-21.
Vikes were rather respectable in Grant's finale, especially early on; and weren't all-too bad in both their games against that historic Juggernaut that was in their division. Still, not picking Burnsie in '84 in the first place was one thing, but why not simply give him the go in '85 then, instead of begging someone who already agreed to retire?
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Here is an article from 1985 explaining (more-less-so) the firing of Steckel ante rehiring of Grant. It also speaks of Grant's family and his hunting passion.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-09-05/ ... -steckel/1
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74_75_78_79_ wrote:
JohnH19 wrote:Bud turned down an offer to return late in the '84 season and didn't think Steckel should be fired at all. He only agreed to come back when Max Winter asked (begged) him to, after Steckel's firing.

One of Bud's and the Vikings' greatest victories came in Week 1 of the '85 season when they came back to beat the defending champion 49ers 28-21.
Vikes were rather respectable in Grant's finale, especially early on; and weren't all-too bad in both their games against that historic Juggernaut that was in their division. Still, not picking Burnsie in '84 in the first place was one thing, but why not simply give him the go in '85 then, instead of begging someone who already agreed to retire?
Burns quit the team during the 1984 season debacle so they called on Bud. Burnsie was happy to go back to work for his old boss.
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JohnH19 wrote:
74_75_78_79_ wrote:
JohnH19 wrote:Bud turned down an offer to return late in the '84 season and didn't think Steckel should be fired at all. He only agreed to come back when Max Winter asked (begged) him to, after Steckel's firing.

One of Bud's and the Vikings' greatest victories came in Week 1 of the '85 season when they came back to beat the defending champion 49ers 28-21.
Vikes were rather respectable in Grant's finale, especially early on; and weren't all-too bad in both their games against that historic Juggernaut that was in their division. Still, not picking Burnsie in '84 in the first place was one thing, but why not simply give him the go in '85 then, instead of begging someone who already agreed to retire?
Burns quit the team during the 1984 season debacle so they called on Bud. Burnsie was happy to go back to work for his old boss.
Okay, wasn't aware.

A couple other things to say about Bud's final season as Vikings' HC. Pete Carroll, in only his second season in the NFL, was secondary coach as he was with Buffalo a year prior. 30 years later, an 88-year-old Grant would wear a short-sleeved shirt outside in the wind-chill pre-game for Vikings' home playoff affair with Carroll's Seahawks. Marc Trestman coached RBs for that '85 Vikes team. Like Bud decades earlier, Marc would end up winning multiple Grey Cups as a HC (and then try to be one in many to bring Jay Cutler to full-potential).

It was in that '85 season that Vikings made that major 4th Q comeback vs Eagles at the Vet. Due to both teams finishing in 5th place the year before, both Eagles & Vikings had to play again - this time in the finale, at the Met, where an interim HC named Fred Bruney (taking over for the fired Marion Campbell) beat Bud Grant in his final game which, actually, would be the only game in which Fred would be a HC. 37-35 would be the final score, the most points Eagles would score in four years.

Speaking of offense, Les Steckel after '84 would go on to OC a few teams. He helped Titans to their 1999 SB-berth and then, the following year, would lead Bucs to their highest scoring season ever. However, his strict military style of coaching would turn out not to mesh well in a Tony Dungy staff.
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