Gil Brandt doing top players are each position

[JohnTurney]

Most any of us here could have done better.

Sad to say, but GIl isn't thinking these through. I've had experiences with him where he'd not know who was a right end or left end, or right tackle and left tackle and this is 20 years ago, when he was still 100% mentally...he's not as sharp as some think he is.

[bachslunch]

Most any of us here could have done better.

Sad to say, but GIl isn't thinking these through. I've had experiences with him where he'd not know who was a right end or left end, or right tackle and left tackle and this is 20 years ago, when he was still 100% mentally...he's not as sharp as some think he is.

That's really a shame to hear. The smartest thing one can do under such circumstances is admit you're not up to par mentally and quietly step aside. This kind of thing only tarnishes what was the reputation of a HoF level front office career.

[bachslunch]

Didn't see the centers list until now. The biggest goof-up by far is including Dan Dierdorf. The top 10 isn't half bad, though Kevin Mawae is too low at no. 14. And Mick Tingelhoff is a glaring omission.

Dierdorf being in this list is indeed perplexing. Tingelhoff, Kent Hull and Jeff Saturday should be in this list somewhere.... all of whom could take Alex Mack's spot.

Jay Hilgenberg and Nick Mangold have at least as good an argument as Hull, am thinking. Agreed that all are better choices than Alex Mack, or Randy Cross for that matter. It's also premature at best to include Travis Frederick here, though if he can continue to play at the level he has the last couple years, he might be a good option.

[Gary Najman]

Speaking of Brandt, do you think he belongs in the PFHOF?

I, as a Cowboys fan, never would have voted for him. Surely, you could say he was an innovator, but with many consecutive drafts (1978-1987 comes to question) when there were little players who even made the team, not to mention too few starters (and even less Pro Bowlers) you eventually fell to the bottom as it did happpened. Even drafting in the last 3 or 4 spots gave the Cowboys so little talent, plus in many books it's written that he was not the genius that in public it appeared to be.

[74_75_78_79_]

Question - when did Brandt and Jerry Jones get on good talking terms again? I know when Jones (Jimmy, actually) fired him after the '89 draft (no handshake), Gil was publicly not happy about it.

[bachslunch]

Speaking of Brandt, do you think he belongs in the PFHOF?

I, as a Cowboys fan, never would have voted for him. Surely, you could say he was an innovator, but with many consecutive drafts (1978-1987 comes to question) when there were little players who even made the team, not to mention too few starters (and even less Pro Bowlers) you eventually fell to the bottom as it did happpened. Even drafting in thelast3 or 4 spors gave the Cowboys so little talent, plus in many books it's written that he was not the genius that in public it appeared to be.

I think Brandt belongs in the HoF for his player personnel role with the Cowboys during the 60s and 70s glory years. Or put another way, if Tex Schramm belongs in, I think it's hard not to make a case for Brandt as well -- unless one can somehow make the argument that Schramm alone was responsible for player choice during those years.

[bachslunch]

The CBs are listed now, and more problems go with it. Eric Wright and Josh Norman? Antoine Winfield, Aqib Talib, and Malcolm Butler on this list, never mind at no. 25, 23, and 20? Darrell Green, Richard Sherman and Mel Renfro at no. 7, 9 and 10 ahead of everyone from Dick Lane to Roger Wehrli to Jimmy Johnson to Darrelle Revis to Herb Adderly? Where's Jack Butler? And with 31 players on this list, definitely Lemar Parrish and maybe even Ken Riley should be here.

[BD Sullivan]

Speaking of Brandt, do you think he belongs in the PFHOF?

I, as a Cowboys fan, never would have voted for him. Surely, you could say he was an innovator, but with many consecutive drafts (1978-1987 comes to question) when there were little players who even made the team, not to mention too few starters (and even less Pro Bowlers) you eventually fell to the bottom as it did happpened. Even drafting in thelast3 or 4 spors gave the Cowboys so little talent, plus in many books it's written that he was not the genius that in public it appeared to be.

I think Brandt belongs in the HoF for his player personnel role with the Cowboys during the 60s and 70s glory years. Or put another way, if Tex Schramm belongs in, I think it's hard not to make a case for Brandt as well -- unless one can somehow make the argument that Schramm alone was responsible for player choice during those years.

Schramm got in two years after he was fired by Jones. His case was no doubt bolstered by the fact that he presumably had Pete Rozelle pushing to get him in--since I believe it was Schramm who first hired Alvin with the Rams. With regard to Brandt's status, personnel guys (until recently with Ron Wolf) have never gotten much traction in HOF debates.

[bachslunch]

More lists are up.

Safeties: Johnny Robinson is an egregious omission. Charlie Waters is a partisan option who has no business on this list. Troy Polamalu and Donnie Shell are too high at no. 2 and 8. And both Bobby Dillon and Jim Patton belong here instead of folks like Dennis Smith, Kam Chancellor, or Rodney Harrison.

Place kickers: Nick Lowery's omission is inexcusable. Having Justin Tucker no. 1 is premature at best and ridiculous at worst. Adam Vinatieri and Stephen Gostkowski are far too high at no. 2 and 7. And Lou Groza should be higher than no. 8.

Punters: possibly one of the worst lists. The top four of Sammy Baugh, Shane Lechler, Yale Lary, and Ray Guy certainly belong near the top, and Johnny Hekker, Andy Lee, and Reggie Roby have a place here somewhere. But the omissions are legion: Tommy Davis, Verne Lewellen, Horace Gillom, Jerrel Wilson, Rohn Stark, and Rich Camarillo among them -- and why he picked 1940s AAFC player Glenn Dobbs (who admittedly did have two excellent seasons in a four-year career) over all these folks is a mystery. The bottom half of the list is mostly populated by no-name folks who played within the last 10 years.

[Bryan]

Most any of us here could have done better.

Sad to say, but GIl isn't thinking these through. I've had experiences with him where he'd not know who was a right end or left end, or right tackle and left tackle and this is 20 years ago, when he was still 100% mentally...he's not as sharp as some think he is.

I wonder if Brandt is just adding his name to someone else's hack list at NFL.com. We can all bicker and argue over who should be higher and who should be lower, but the amount of factual errors and brainless omissions reminds me of the worst NFL book I've ever read, The Paolantonio Report. That book was an ESPN-produced pile of dreck that (hopefully) Sal Paolantonio had nothing to do with other than lending his name to it. I'm thinking/hoping the same is going on with Brandt.