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^I think for an entire career, Vinatieri was better than Tucker is... even though at this moment, Tucker is still playing. But a big question is, 2024 is that the begin of a downslope for Tucker or just an anomaly season? Vinatieri arguably did not go downhill in his performance until his mid-40s......

There are a number of Coffin Corner articles that discuss pre-WWI football that include information about Kerkhoff and Shiring. https://web.archive.org/web/20101218220541/http://profootballresearchers.org/Coffin_Corner/02-An-053.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20140928221224/http://www.profootballre...

Interesting post, thank you for the insight.

Marshall is a Finalist on this year's ballot for the HOVG.

The idea makes sense.

Doesn't the NBA do this? They seed by record regardless if a team wins its division. The College Football Playoff just approved a seeding format like this, where the top 4 ranked teams receive first-round byes, regardless if they win a conference championship or not.

Is there any chance the committee's vote to trim the list of nominees down to 20 would be made public? If not, no big deal. I'm only curious. Chris, not sure I fully understand your question, but allow me to shed some light. Over the past 2-3 years, we've received over 100 nominees each year from t...

Brian wolf wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 11:20 am And a former finalist in Russ Washington continues to stall. Surprised Leslie O Neil didnt advance ...

You would think more than 23 people would nominate candidates, unless many endorse the same people, I hope.

More than 23 PFRA members nominated candidates. Not everyone nominated five.

Brian wolf wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:29 am

sluggermatt15 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 9:10 am I don't see how any player, no matter the position, who's earned seven consensus first-team all-pro honors is not a first ballot HOFer...

Del Shofner would like a word ... not seven, but five cant get election?

I think Jimmy Patton also had five.

Yeah it's unbelievable, Brian, I agree.

I don't see how any player, no matter the position, who's earned seven consensus first-team all-pro honors is not a first ballot HOFer...

I've voted for him when he made the ballot not too long ago. Honestly I am surprised he is not in the HOVG. I agree that Stratton was pretty good. He was also on the two Bills' AFL title winning teams - 1964 & 1965.

Bert Jones was recently inducted to the HoVG. I don't see how Phil Simms and Joe Theismann do not belong. They both should be in as well. Both won at least one Super Bowl, were MVPs like Jones... and Simms and Theismann won far more football games than Jones did. Jones - 47 career victories Simms - ...