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"Great debate and insights though ... thats what makes the forum special on this site." Definitely Brian! My point is that I'm not even including Hester's time on offense (which I actually think was underrated, and would have been much better as an Az Hakim-type #4 than the #1 we tried to ...

Sorry, should be "of those seven." I added someone after typing it initially. Return stats from 30 years old and on: * Upchurch: 65 PR, 10.9 avg., 2 TD, 1x TD leader, 1x avg leader — 0 kick returns — 1x AP1/PB * White Shoes: 127 PR, 10.1 avg, 1 TD — 2 KR, 19.5 avg, 0 TD * Gray: 158 PR, 10....

Devin Hester is not the only returner who I think should go in! I offered five here: https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2016/8/23/12530058/devin-hester-hall-of-fame-argument-chicago-bears But impact as position players is irrelevant unless they had greatness as position players. Parrish did, but I th...

I put Mel Gray and Rick Upchurch in my "founding returner PFHOF class" so no argument from me against them: https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2016/8/23/12530058/devin-hester-hall-of-fame-argument-chicago-bears But I'll correct your faulty sentiment on Hester along with some stats. "He...

Bryan, the one question I'd ask you is why you call Hester a "very weak choice" considering that your critique on Allen, McDonald, O'Neal and Wisniewski is that they were "productive guys who weren't the best at their positions." Do you think someone other than Hester was the gre...

Thanks for the feedback Bryan. We clearly disagree on a lot of players so I won't go down the line. I would love to see your next five classes!

Best,
Jack

Your chart here is so useful John. Thank you. To me, the bigger point than whether it's Nalen or Olin or Saturday or Birk, etc. etc., is that centers shouldn't have to be generational to get in, which is what's happening now. Last modern centers elected: 2019 - Mawae 2012 - Dawson 2007 - Matthews (o...

Due to frustration around many PFHOF-worthy players running out of modern-era eligibility without even getting to the semis much less in the room, I asked 10 Hall historians/analysts to give me their next five classes without consideration for the current queue. We published the results on Clark Jud...

Ken, I reached out to the Hall in September to clarify the exclusion of Damon Allen from the preliminary list, since our guy Vinny nominated him specifically to test if he'd make it on. Here's what Rich told me: "If a person played pro football under the rules of the American game, then he woul...

Does Powell's induction create an opening for Herschel Walker? The first (and until recently only) three years of the USFL were probably a better product than the equivalent first three years of the AFL, without which Powell would likely not be considered. Unlikely. PFHOF views leagues that the NFL...